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06/29/2015 07:05:27 PM · #1 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Makes one wonder how many people said that about things like granting women the right to vote, inter racial marriages, gay marriages, habeus corpus and a few other restrictions that have since be re-visited and modified. |
There was no such thing as an individual right to bear arms until a 5-4 decision in 2008. For 217 years before that, the Supreme Court had consistently held that the right to gun ownership was a condition of being part of a well-regulated militia, which obviously most citizens are not. That text has not changed, so the court's opinion is just a Scalia heart attack away from being reversed. It absolutely will be. |
Yes, you're right, no one owned guns before 2008... |
I thought it was Scalia who, as one of the "originalist" cadre, says that the Constitution grants an absolute right to a flintlock musket or maybe a Kentucky rifle, but not an Uzi ... |
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06/29/2015 07:01:24 PM · #2 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by sfalice:
Meanwhile, with the Charleston shootings in a church, front and center, perhaps someone could explain how and why this type of tragedy happens again and again in our American society. If we could do it without rancor, it would be a fascinating debate. |
It's really not that hard to understand, IMO. A child is born. That child does not know hate. It is taught by the parents. If the child is raised with enough hate and also has mental issues, that child will grow up to kill at some point. And before anyone jumps on me about my opinion, this is not limited by race. I've personally seen hate taught on multiple fronts, by multiple races. |
You have prior support for your position ... :-)
Originally posted by Oscar Hammerstein II:
You’ve Got To Be Carefully Taught (1956)
You’ve got to be taught to hate and fear
You’ve got to be taught from year to year
It’s got to drummed in your dear little ear
You’ve got to be carefully taught
You’ve got to be taught to be afraid
Of people whose eyes are oddly made
And people whose skin is a different shade
You’ve got to be carefully taught
You’ve got to be taught before it’s too late
Before you are six, or seven, or eight
To hate all the people your relatives hate
You’ve got to be carefully taught
You’ve got to be carefully taught! |
Originally posted by Linked Page:
National Brotherhood Week (1965)
by Tom Lehrer
One week of every year is designated National Brotherhood Week. This is just one of many such weeks honoring various worthy causes. One of my favorites is National Make-Fun-Of-The-Handicapped Week, which Frank Fontaine and Jerry Lewis* are in charge of as you know. During National Brotherhood Week various special events are arranged to drive home the message of brotherhood - this year, for example, on the first day of the week, Malcolm X was killed,* which gives you an idea of how effective the whole thing is.
I'm sure we all agree that we ought to love one another, and I know there are people in the world who do not love their fellow human beings, and I hate people like that! Here's a song about National Brotherhood Week.
Oh, the white folks hate the black folks,
And the black folks hate the white folks;
To hate all but the right folks
Is an old established rule.
But during National Brotherhood Week,
National Brotherhood Week,
Lena Horne** and Sheriff Clark*** are dancing cheek to cheek.
It's fun to eulogize
The people you despise
As long as you don't let 'em in your school.
Oh, the poor folks hate the rich folks,
And the rich folks hate the poor folks.
All of my folks hate all of your folks,
It's American as apple pie.
But during National Brotherhood Week,
National Brotherhood Week,
New Yorkers love the Puerto Ricans 'cause it's very chic.
Step up and shake the hand
Of someone you can't stand,
You can tolerate him if you try!
Oh, the Protestants hate the Catholics
And the Catholics hate the Protestants,
And the Hindus hate the Moslems,
And everybody hates the Jews.
But during National Brotherhood Week,
National Brotherhood Week,
It's National Everyone-Smile-At-One-Another-Hood Week.
Be nice to people who
Are inferior to you.
It's only for a week, so have no fear;
Be grateful that it doesn't last all year!
Notes
* Two comics famous for creating signature characters of dubious mental faculties. Lewis's character and telethons are perhaps too well known to need introduction, but Fontaine was well known in the 50's and 60's for an addled panhandler characterization, that was featured most notably as Crazy Guggenheim on The Jackie Gleason Show, and John L. C. Silvoney on The Jack Benny Show. The character of Pete Puma, from the Looney Toons cartoon Rabbit's Kin, was based on Fontaine.
* For those wondering when National Brotherhood Week actually was, Malcolm X was killed on Sunday, February 21, 1965. If that was the first day of National Brotherhood Week, then it ran from February 21 through February 27 that year, or the last full week in February.
** Lena Horne, born 1917, was a mulatto lounge singer, active in the 1960's, who became the first black American movie star when she signed a contract with MGM in 1942.
*** Sheriff Jim Clark of Selma, Alabama, was responsible for several violent arrests of Civil Rights protestors, over the wishes of Selma mayor Joseph Smitherman, who wanted to bring industry to the town, and didn't want the negative publicity that violence would bring. |
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06/29/2015 06:22:31 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by sfalice:
Meanwhile, with the Charleston shootings in a church, front and center, perhaps someone could explain how and why this type of tragedy happens again and again in our American society. If we could do it without rancor, it would be a fascinating debate. |
It's really not that hard to understand, IMO. A child is born. That child does not know hate. It is taught by the parents. If the child is raised with enough hate and also has mental issues, that child will grow up to kill at some point. And before anyone jumps on me about my opinion, this is not limited by race. I've personally seen hate taught on multiple fronts, by multiple races. |
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06/29/2015 06:03:35 PM · #4 |
| Meanwhile, with the Charleston shootings in a church, front and center, perhaps someone could explain how and why this type of tragedy happens again and again in our American society. If we could do it without rancor, it would be a fascinating debate. |
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06/28/2015 03:09:51 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Excellent! Now, if your addition had the support of, say... facts (or even minimal sanity since "everyone" would include felons and toddlers), it might even be the same game. |
You said it.
Originally posted by scalvert:
That I ADDED something to yours as a misquote? Yes, that was bad. I'm so sorry. I've come to my senses finally and realized that everyone should be able to have guns (or not) if they wish. In fact, I'm going to buy myself several guns as soon as I can. |
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06/28/2015 02:59:18 PM · #12 |
| Excellent! Now, if your addition had the support of, say... facts (or even minimal sanity since "everyone" would include felons and toddlers), it might even be the same game. |
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06/28/2015 02:32:53 PM · #13 |
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06/28/2015 01:41:05 PM · #15 |
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06/28/2015 01:35:05 PM · #16 |
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06/28/2015 01:11:30 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Spork99:
Well, where would you otherwise think these threads would go? |
Well, absent confirmation bias I'd *expect* that "gun control"-type threads would result in at least SOME small percentage of the anti-control stalwarts saying "You know, worldwide evidence DOES indicate that fewer guns at large = fewer gun deaths, it may be worth TRYING, we've got to do something!", but that's wishful thinking I'm sure. At least I was able to say straight up that I'm as likely as you are to be suffering from CB, even though I think you're out of your mind :-) |
Ha! I'd expect as much from the other side as well, but that doesn't happen either. So here we are. |
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06/28/2015 10:52:20 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Good to see you back in the saddle, Shannon :-) |
Thanks, but not quite. Still buried in work for at least the next few weeks. |
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06/28/2015 01:41:09 AM · #21 |
All this wilful ignorance and irrational self-delusion is so dispiriting. It's Dark Ages mentality.
Message edited by author 2015-06-28 05:16:05. |
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06/27/2015 07:15:29 PM · #22 |
| Good to see you back in the saddle, Shannon :-) |
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06/27/2015 04:43:27 PM · #23 |
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06/27/2015 03:27:19 PM · #24 |
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06/27/2015 03:26:04 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
Well, where would you otherwise think these threads would go? |
Well, absent confirmation bias I'd *expect* that "gun control"-type threads would result in at least SOME small percentage of the anti-control stalwarts saying "You know, worldwide evidence DOES indicate that fewer guns at large = fewer gun deaths, it may be worth TRYING, we've got to do something!", but that's wishful thinking I'm sure. At least I was able to say straight up that I'm as likely as you are to be suffering from CB, even though I think you're out of your mind :-)
Message edited by author 2015-06-27 15:35:42. |
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