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07/01/2016 11:54:18 AM · #1 |
| Correct Paul, you seem to have the right idea. |
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07/01/2016 10:00:55 AM · #2 |
Originally posted by Tiny:
Give David Dickinson a go. |
Well the pound is already 'cheap as chips'. |
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07/01/2016 09:21:18 AM · #3 |
| Give David Dickinson a go. |
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06/30/2016 04:20:17 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
Originally posted by Kroburg:
Sorry Sarah and Paul, I am not confused or upset or depressed or angry by the outcome of the referendum. From day 1 it was clear that Brexit and Remain were very close, everyone could have known that Brexit was a real possibility. And never did I hear any request for not having the referendum, apparently everyone thought it would end in a Remain. That is IMHO also typical for the politicians who decided to have the referendum, they just thought it would work out fine and now they are surprised the majority voted Brexit.
Of course no one knows what will be the effect in the years to come, but panicking as we do now is only making things worse. And I'm sure there is a life without the EU, as for example Switzerland makes clear. For me, as an EU citizen living in Scotland, there might be consequences as well but I'll see to it when it comes. We have a few years now to negotiate the UK's position in Europe and only by then we might know what this referendum will mean to us. |
Well, Britain didn't do itself any favors by exiting without striking any sort of deal with the EU first. Now they want to know what the deal is before they enact Article 50, but EU will not discuss a deal until they sign it. UK (which is less U by the minute) is screwed. |
I don't think a deal before the referendum was a possibility and of course there can't be clarity over the deal before enacting Article 50. And the negotiations will be difficult, but at the end there will be a deal, both parties can't afford not to come up with something.
The only thing that worries me is what happens now with the Conservative Party. I really hope there will be a strong leader who can lead the UK into those negotiations, but can't see who that will be. |
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06/30/2016 03:58:47 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by Kroburg:
Sorry Sarah and Paul, I am not confused or upset or depressed or angry by the outcome of the referendum. From day 1 it was clear that Brexit and Remain were very close, everyone could have known that Brexit was a real possibility. And never did I hear any request for not having the referendum, apparently everyone thought it would end in a Remain. That is IMHO also typical for the politicians who decided to have the referendum, they just thought it would work out fine and now they are surprised the majority voted Brexit.
Of course no one knows what will be the effect in the years to come, but panicking as we do now is only making things worse. And I'm sure there is a life without the EU, as for example Switzerland makes clear. For me, as an EU citizen living in Scotland, there might be consequences as well but I'll see to it when it comes. We have a few years now to negotiate the UK's position in Europe and only by then we might know what this referendum will mean to us. |
Well, Britain didn't do itself any favors by exiting without striking any sort of deal with the EU first. Now they want to know what the deal is before they enact Article 50, but EU will not discuss a deal until they sign it. UK (which is less U by the minute) is screwed. |
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06/30/2016 03:31:00 PM · #6 |
Sorry Sarah and Paul, I am not confused or upset or depressed or angry by the outcome of the referendum. From day 1 it was clear that Brexit and Remain were very close, everyone could have known that Brexit was a real possibility. And never did I hear any request for not having the referendum, apparently everyone thought it would end in a Remain. That is IMHO also typical for the politicians who decided to have the referendum, they just thought it would work out fine and now they are surprised the majority voted Brexit.
Of course no one knows what will be the effect in the years to come, but panicking as we do now is only making things worse. And I'm sure there is a life without the EU, as for example Switzerland makes clear. For me, as an EU citizen living in Scotland, there might be consequences as well but I'll see to it when it comes. We have a few years now to negotiate the UK's position in Europe and only by then we might know what this referendum will mean to us. |
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06/30/2016 03:04:37 PM · #7 |
UK is still part of Europe (the continent), they really have no choice or vote about that ;) But it's sad that only 50% (rounded) doesn't want to be friends with the other countries.
Meanwhile, the UK is one of very few countries (perhaps the only one), that isn't able to have a national football team. So, time for some internal thoughts in the UK about what the UK really is? |
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06/30/2016 02:29:15 PM · #8 |
you've just summed up the US election in November!
Originally posted by Paul:
Imagine placing a bet where you can either lose |
Trump Originally posted by Paul:
or break even. |
Clinton.
Originally posted by Paul:
Why would anybody place such a bet?? |
I'm still holding out hope of better alternatives, but its not like there are any better but likely worse options.
sigh...
Message edited by author 2016-06-30 14:29:52. |
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06/30/2016 02:25:12 PM · #9 |
| if there no recourse but to continue on? can you vote to just get back in the EU? it seems nuts to get duped by a politician's propaganda and then not be able to backtrack? |
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06/30/2016 02:21:09 PM · #10 |
Having the referendum at all was a disaster. Imagine placing a bet where you can either lose or break even. Why would anybody place such a bet?? Such was our referendum. As yet, I haven't met anybody who is anything but confused and upset by the outcome.
Message edited by author 2016-06-30 14:21:32. |
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06/30/2016 02:08:41 PM · #11 |
| Pretty much it. And in the mean time the 48.x% of us who wished all along to remain in the EU are still as angry/depressed/frustrated/dumb-founded/perplexed/irate (use adjective of choice) as we were at 4am last Friday. |
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06/30/2016 02:03:26 PM · #12 |
I read on reddit today which sums it up perfectly
Your friend is class president, but you (boris) want to be president, there a is a class vote of whether the class should leave the school or not. The current president, your friend, wants the class to stay in school, you want the class to leave the school. You and your friend campaign against each other. You don't really want the class to vote to leave the school, you like the school, but you want the vote to be 50/50 so you can use the result as leverage against the current class president, in the hope of removing him from power and claiming yourself as the new and better president.
But things didn't quite go to plan. The class has voted with you, to leave the school. Now the class is leaving the school, soon to be educated by absolutely no one, the class needs a president to lead them through these tough times. It is assumed, that you, as the leader of the leave campaign will take the role of president and lead the class through tough times.
However, you are running away and hiding in the jungle gym.
https://np.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/4ql1pn/boris_johnson_will_not_stand_for_tory_leader/d4tth3q |
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06/29/2016 08:48:28 PM · #13 |
Yes, much clearer now.
Message edited by author 2016-06-29 20:49:32. |
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06/29/2016 02:56:22 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by jagar:
That's really funny in a sad way. |
Indeed. Pathetically hilarious, actually |
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06/29/2016 02:07:42 PM · #15 |
| That's really funny in a sad way. |
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06/29/2016 01:13:42 PM · #16 |
| goes to show that a referendum can only be about approving changes that government supports |
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06/29/2016 12:02:20 PM · #17 |
| yes, that is the unfortunate unwieldy size of it. |
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06/29/2016 07:52:50 AM · #18 |
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06/29/2016 07:03:15 AM · #19 |
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06/29/2016 06:31:23 AM · #20 |
Rooum
That post nailed it!
:-)
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06/29/2016 05:51:07 AM · #21 |
It's an incredibly complicated matter. For those not based in the UK it can seem very confusing indeed - even for those living in the UK it is baffling. Someone posted this on social media recently which clarifies things a lot…
'So, let me get this straight... the leader of the opposition campaigned to stay but secretly wanted to leave, so his party held a non-binding vote to shame him into resigning so someone else could lead the campaign to ignore the result of the non-binding referendum which many people now think was just angry people trying to shame politicians into seeing they'd all done nothing to help them.
Meanwhile, the man who campaigned to leave because he hoped losing would help him win the leadership of his party, accidentally won and ruined any chance of leading because the man who thought he couldn't lose, did - but resigned before actually doing the thing the vote had been about. The man who'd always thought he'd lead next, campaigned so badly that everyone thought he was lying when he said the economy would crash - and he was, but it did, but he's not resigned, but, like the man who lost and the man who won, also now can't become leader. Which means the woman who quietly campaigned to stay but always said she wanted to leave is likely to become leader instead.
Which means she holds the same view as the leader of the opposition but for opposite reasons, but her party's view of this view is the opposite of the opposition's. And the opposition aren't yet opposing anything because the leader isn't listening to his party, who aren't listening to the country, who aren't listening to experts or possibly paying that much attention at all. However, none of their opponents actually want to be the one to do the thing that the vote was about, so there's not yet anything actually on the table to oppose anyway. And if no one ever does do the thing that most people asked them to do, it will be undemocratic and if any one ever does do it, it will be awful.
Clear?'
Hope that helps. |
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06/28/2016 07:26:52 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Neat:
Alexis de Tocqueville once said “America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great.” And so it goes! |
And yet, the America he was praising was a slave-holding nation that was engaged in exterminating its indigenous, native population... just sayin'... |
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06/28/2016 04:57:11 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by Lydia:
They can finally protect their culture, their borders, and their citizens... themselves... instead of accepting everything from countries around them... according to other people's decisions for their county. |
culture... I love culture. I need culture.
Being born is like waking up in an unfamiliar room. The biggest priority is finding out where you are, how you got here. This is why I am a lifelong student of culture and history. Funny how I rarely see any interest at DPC about these things. Everyone likes to spout rules of photography without ever examining where they came from. So happy to have rules.
Or maybe that's what you mean by culture, a set of unexamined rules about how to live your life. You don't know where they came from, you don't know why they're there, but you will use them like a hammer against any nail that sticks out.
So in your mind, "protecting" culture means swinging the hammer... but in my view, protecting culture means looking at the hammer, seeing where it was made, who just handed it to you, what their motivations might have been. Otherwise, the hammer keeps changing generation after generation, changing with time and borders that have already been crossed and that have also changed...
and each hammer has its own nails. The Irish were nails, the Saxons, the Scots, Catholics, Protestants, everyone has had their turn as a nail at one time or another. I'm no longer enthusiastic about looking for nails.
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06/27/2016 12:22:42 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by Paul:
She may be referring to this nonsense. |
Thank you.
"Assyria is the biblical name for modern-day Germany" was the best laugh I had today so far. |
had no patience to read it, but let me contribute that in Hebrew, "Assyria" means "prisoner of God". |
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06/27/2016 12:10:43 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by Paul:
She may be referring to this nonsense. |
Thank you.
"Assyria is the biblical name for modern-day Germany" was the best laugh I had today so far. |
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