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02/21/2017 07:01:03 AM · #1
Well-stated, Jake!
02/21/2017 05:42:51 AM · #2
Not to pile on, Mike, but I'm very much with Jane and Neil here. 1 to 10 is not exponential, it's a linear scale - but you're not treating it that way. In school a 5 would be a failing grade, and yet you reserve that for those who would be in the C or C+ range.

One thing to understand is that this place isn't asking you to hand out ribbons, it's asking you to evaluate the images. The desire to say, "This is my top 10, so only these deserve scores above X", is strong, but it's not a realistic way to vote when you consider that ribbons are based on consistency of voting across members. You don't have to have a personal "winner" appear in your numbers. More times than not my "personal blue" got the same score as at least one or two other images. For me to reserve a 9 or 10 just for them and then work backwards is to underappreciate the images that did not make it there.

I'm not saying this to twist your arm and make you change the way you vote. I say it more to, like Jane and Neil, reveal to others reading this thread that your methods are harsher than expected and shouldn't be considered the model for anything "normal" when scoring images here. It's fine to be critical, so maybe do it in the comments. If it's technically brilliant but doesn't move you, don't toss a 5 at it and move on - reward it and critique it. Sure, save your 8's, 9's, and your eventual 10's for the really special stuff (I do). But a 3 isn't average where I come from. I look at a 3 as my "anti-8". In other words if I find something special enough to give it an 8 then I need to find something else equally displeasing and/or inappropriate to give it a 3. Same with 2's and 9's, and 1's and 10's. That's how a linear scale works, and each image is placed on it individually, not as it relates to every other image in the contest, because I am not the judge and jury, I am one of many peer evaluators.

Message edited by author 2017-02-21 05:44:55.
02/21/2017 05:24:52 AM · #3
Originally posted by NikonJeb:

One thing I have figured out is that it's easy to get dismayed with the results of a challenge if you're in love with the image.


This cannot be understated. I am more put off by the numbers that accumulate (or rather fail to) next to an image here when it falls into one of those "special" categories in my head. There are some that I can still go back to and be mystified at the lack of score (the owls in one of my free studies last year, for example), but if I step back and take an objective look and put it in the context of the scores of other images in the challenge I can mostly begin to see what others didn't. And when I don't, asking around here can help to reveal the rest.
02/20/2017 11:34:03 AM · #4
Wow At Mike, you seem to be taking this very seriously.

I hope to see you lighten up as time draws on. :)
02/19/2017 07:19:46 PM · #5
Hi Mike
It seems as though you have given a lot of thought to how to distribute your votes which is great but if "your average vote given" is 4, which yours is
you are voting, decidedly, on the low end of the spectrum.
The voting issue has been discussed without consensus for years but we have lost so many people who have been discouraged by very low voting and very
few comments.

For the health and morale of the site I have tried to be conscientious about voting fairly but when in doubt or undecided I vote up, rather than down.
2 cents!
02/19/2017 05:38:49 PM · #6
I'm very new to this site so still trying to calibrate my voting. If it helps, the general process I follow for voting is:
Round 1: If photo is poorly taken or simply off the theme (3) / On theme but not outstanding (4) / On theme and well composed and shot (5)
Round 2: Revisit all the "5" shots and select according to overall preference proportionally working backwards, now having had the benefit of seeing all submissions. I may typically have one or two 9's, a few 6, 7 and 8's with a lot more 5's. As a newbie, I haven't yet given a 10 but will not hesitate to do so if a shot merits it. (For me, that would mean that I like it so much, I wish I had taken it myself).
For this shot, it could have rated a 5 if on theme but in this case, it may have been a 4 as I probably had higher expectations for a "Best of 2016" submission. (I honestly can't remember how I actually scored it). Revisiting it critically, whilst a technically proficient shot, it just doesn't grab me. For your best shot from a year of photography, I would have at least expected a strong focal point and an element of your photographic style /personality to come through in how you portray your subject matter. This boat shot did not evoke any emotional connection from me.
02/19/2017 04:52:42 PM · #7
I've never seen a phone yet with a decent screen (when was the last time you calibrated it?), so who wants to vote from a mobile phone ? ;)
02/19/2017 12:46:15 PM · #8
I can vote on the iPad, but not the iPhone (6s)

Message edited by author 2017-02-19 12:46:44.
02/19/2017 07:02:52 AM · #9
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

I have no hard and fast knowledge on this, but it seems to me that the Apple phones can't vote but at least some of the Android phones can... Any examples of an Apple phone (or tablet) that can vote?


I live in a place called England and I can vote using iPad Mini and iPad not mini.

I haven't used this facility but may well do in future.

Thank You
02/19/2017 03:56:51 AM · #10
Just in case anyone is wondering if it has to do with geography - I just cast two votes (which won't count because I won't add any others to it, anyway) on my Samsung Note 5 from Australia - it made all the right noises, but as much as I adore my phone, I'd never ever use it to vote!!! And I wish NOBODY was able to do vote from a phone or small tablet ....... how the heck could you tell from that tiny screen (which, in my case, is actually very big in terms of phones).

NOT acceptable!!!!
02/19/2017 02:49:42 AM · #11
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

I have no hard and fast knowledge on this, but it seems to me that the Apple phones can't vote but at least some of the Android phones can... Any examples of an Apple phone (or tablet) that can vote?


I can't vote on my iPhone (5s), but have always been able to vote on my iPad2.
02/19/2017 12:01:05 AM · #12
My Note 5 works great for voting. Of course, I would never do that though... ;-)
02/18/2017 11:43:15 PM · #13
I have no hard and fast knowledge on this, but it seems to me that the Apple phones can't vote but at least some of the Android phones can... Any examples of an Apple phone (or tablet) that can vote?
02/18/2017 09:49:05 PM · #14
I have an Iphone 6s Plus and cannot vote on it.
02/18/2017 02:37:49 PM · #15
I can't vote on my iPhone--does it have something to do with screen size?

Message edited by author 2017-02-18 14:39:04.
02/18/2017 11:54:06 AM · #16
What kind of phones do you have if you can vote from them? I have an iPhone Se and I can't vote from it.



Message edited by author 2017-02-18 11:54:46.
02/17/2017 10:13:23 PM · #17
Originally posted by Cyrilda:

gladtobedad
I think the problem with one that I entered appeared larger than I thought it would. It really looked interesting printed and framed but on screen the photo truly didn't look the same. And of course I'm not a seasoned vet. I gave you a 6.

Thanks for the 6. :-)
02/17/2017 09:47:00 PM · #18

gladtobedad
I think the problem with one that I entered appeared larger than I thought it would. It really looked interesting printed and framed but on screen the photo truly didn't look the same. And of course I'm not a seasoned vet. I gave you a 6.

Message edited by author 2017-02-17 21:51:53.
02/13/2017 04:27:26 PM · #19
It works on my phone.....and worked on my last one, too.

I don't vote on a phone, but I check every now & then just for S&G....
02/10/2017 01:07:33 AM · #20
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by KarenNfld:

....
I didn't think you were allowed to vote on a phone.

Confirmed ... you can vote using a phone. Just tested it and it worked fine.


Apparently not for everyone:

02/09/2017 10:12:38 PM · #21
Originally posted by KarenNfld:

Originally posted by glad2badad:



Oh. Hadn't noticed that before. It also will resize the long side on landscape oriented images too if you resize the window. Interesting. I wonder if this was put in place for people that vote using their phones? I'll have to check what it looks like on a phone screen later this afternoon.


I didn't think you were allowed to vote on a phone.

Confirmed ... you can vote using a phone. Just tested it and it worked fine.
02/09/2017 04:01:44 PM · #22
Originally posted by NikonJeb:

There's a decided talent to being able to make an impressive image......small.

That's one reason I thought the last Stamp challenge should have had a maximum size of 320 pixels or so ...
02/09/2017 03:52:29 PM · #23
I truly appreciate the feedback. For the record, I was actually kind of amused.

One thing I have figured out is that it's easy to get dismayed with the results of a challenge if you're in love with the image. That was moderately the case except that I had already inured myself against disappointment. You shoud see this image 17x22, matted, framed, & hanging! My framer did a triple mat with divergent dark blues & black. At this scale it really looks good.

I have noticed that a lot of my work lately seems to only really look good big. The upside is that my sales of the bigger images have gone well.

My scores.......well.... There's a thread on that! LOL!!!

There's a decided talent to being able to make an impressive image......small.

Again, thanks to the people who took their time to communicate their thoughts on my image.
02/09/2017 02:35:09 PM · #24
Originally posted by glad2badad:



Oh. Hadn't noticed that before. It also will resize the long side on landscape oriented images too if you resize the window. Interesting. I wonder if this was put in place for people that vote using their phones? I'll have to check what it looks like on a phone screen later this afternoon.


I didn't think you were allowed to vote on a phone.
02/09/2017 01:30:39 PM · #25
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by glad2badad:

I usually resize to 1200 max before submitting so I don't have to worry about the DPC auto-resizing.

That's not the issue, though. What Jake's referring to is that DPC now resizes any image to fit the available screen real estate during voting: if your screen doesn't support 1500 pixels or so vertically, you're gonna see a 1200-pixel vertical image at less than that size. Next time you're voting, try resizing your window to way less than it's normal full-screen presence and watch what happens :-)


Oh. Hadn't noticed that before. It also will resize the long side on landscape oriented images too if you resize the window. Interesting. I wonder if this was put in place for people that vote using their phones? I'll have to check what it looks like on a phone screen later this afternoon.
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