"Flowers IV" Challenge Results Recalculated

06/18/2017 08:06:40 PM · #2

Yes I imported via a USB cable connected to my computer, also emailed to myself and downloaded to desktop (also just dragged from email attachment to desktop, maybe I should have dragged it directly to DPC proof) none of them worked. I dont have an SD card in my phone so card reader not an option. Not to worry what is done is done. No more phone entries for me. :)

06/18/2017 05:21:07 PM · #3

Yes, as far as we know emailing the original to yourself is safe, always assuming you then make a COPY to work on :-) I'm about to get a *real* smartphone for the first time, a Samsung, and as far as I can tell from reading the user's manual online I can connect this phone to my computer and mount it as a drive, PLUS it seems to be able to shoot RAW, so... Fingers crossed. I didn't exactly get it for photography, but rather so we can pair it with the new car's system and do stuff we could never do before :-)

Cuttooth

Canon EOS R

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4L IS II USM Lens

06/18/2017 11:50:23 AM · #4

I've just emailed myself the photo from my iphone as well and it didnt have a problem passing validation.

hahn23

Canon EOS-5D Mark IV

06/18/2017 09:33:17 AM · #5

My most recent iPhone 7+ image in a DPC challenge that was subject to validation, was emailed (full size) from my iPhone 7+ to my primary computer. I never opened, nor saved, the file. Just used the unaltered file as the proof file. The file did pass validation requirements.

So, this works with iPhones, but I don't know if can work with Windows phones.

Ja-9

Nikon D750

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

06/18/2017 08:51:03 AM · #6

If I remember right I just emailed my photo (original) directly to site counsel...

ETA: I think I had to "reset" my picture back to original first...

Message edited by author 2017-06-18 08:52:38.

bryanbrazil

Sony Alpha a7R III

Sony 16-35mm f/4 Vario-Tessar T* FE ZA OSS Lens

06/18/2017 08:10:30 AM · #7

Why not just email the photo to yourself and then save the attachment to your computer? That's what I probably would have done.

Art Roflmao

Canon EOS-6D Mark II

06/18/2017 04:12:26 AM · #8

Originally posted by thrumyiis:

...are you saying I could have put my sim card into a card reader (which I do have as well as the original in my phone) and put it on my computer that way and it might have worked??

Not the sim card. A microSD card, but the iPhone 4 does not have that capability.

I assume you tried this:
Import Photos Using USB Cable

By far, the easiest way to transfer photos to your Windows computer is to connect your iPhone with a USB cable. To windows, your iPhone is like digital camera or flash drive. Once you connect, you may need to unlock the iPhone in order to grant access to the photos. Usually, you will get a prompt confirming if you trust the connected computer to have access. Click Yes to grant access and proceed.

-Connect the iPhone with USB cable
-The Pop-up should appear on your computer screen
-Click on View Content
-You will see your photos in the folders
-In case the Pop-up does not appear, head to My Computer/This PC and you will see your iPhone under Portable Devices label
-Now you can select all the photos you want to transfer and copy them into any folder on your PC. This is the simplest and fastest way to transfer pictures from your iPhone
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If you did try that after you had already "imported", I am guessing the import function changed the modified date in the EXIF for the photos still on your phone. That seems wacked.

thrumyiis

Canon EOS-7D

06/18/2017 12:10:04 AM · #9

This is all very interesting discussion,not that I'm 'getting' a lot of it, but are you saying I could have put my sim card into a card reader (which I do have as well as the original in my phone) and put it on my computer that way and it might have worked??
All I can tell you is I never use my phone as my camera for anything I want to keep (its a pretty crappy camera) in fact when I'm out with my friends and we're doing a group photo, they all have a giggle cause I actually pull out a point a shoot camera - like its soo old fashioned... I just knew when I came across this in the alleyway it would be an interesting entry for the flowers challenge and my phone was all I had. (i was away for the weekend so no chance to go back to re-shoot) Kudos to [user]Bear-Music[/user] for letting me try several times to submit original in different ways but sadly to no avail :((
Anyways note to self - do not use phone for a challenge entry again.

06/17/2017 11:17:48 PM · #10

Originally posted by kirbic:

Based on this, I'm wondering if there was anything wrong at all. The "Windows Phone" software listed is just the 'phone's OS. It may just be that any shot taken with the camera on that 'phone is tagged in that manner.

No, the transfer software changed the "modified" date when it made the xfer. That was the hangup. Once the dates in EXIF get scrambled all bets are off, validation-wise.

sfalice

Canon PowerShot SX60 HS

06/17/2017 10:53:54 PM · #11

Originally posted by kirbic:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:
This is all we know about the software:

Originally posted by snip from EXIF:
Camera Model Name: Lumia 735
Orientation: Horizontal (normal)
Software: Windows Phone

Based on this, I'm wondering if there was anything wrong at all. The "Windows Phone" software listed is just the 'phone's OS. It may just be that any shot taken with the camera on that 'phone is tagged in that manner.

Just throwing this out...Since the Smartphone was owned and used in Australia, perhaps the Smartphone OS is slightly different there?

kirbic

Canon EOS R5

Canon RF 24-70 f2.8 L IS

06/17/2017 08:11:17 PM · #12

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

This is all we know about the software:

Originally posted by snip from EXIF:
Camera Model Name: Lumia 735
Orientation: Horizontal (normal)
Software: Windows Phone

Art Roflmao

Canon EOS-6D Mark II

06/17/2017 07:41:39 PM · #13

Leaked!

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

06/17/2017 06:41:36 PM · #14

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Almost any software which "imports" pictures from a camera runs the risk of altering the EXIF. Using a card reader (or mounting the camera as an external logical device) and using the operating system to simply copy the files from one location to another is the safest and recommended way to move files intact.

That's exactly right. Method-of-importation isn't important if you shoot RAW, as a rule, but with JPG it's critical. And even with RAW, there are ways of screwing up, most notably by setting LR to convert RAW to DNG on import. If it is possible to connect your camera to a computer, it is possible to treat it as a mountable drive and manually drag-n-drop images for download.

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

06/17/2017 03:03:34 PM · #15

Originally posted by GinaRothfels:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by sfalice:
Taken with a smartphone? Anybody think of asking the "Smart"phone what happened? Ken, better subpoena that Smartphone right away.

The smartphone wasn't the problem, it was the windows software that did the downloading :-(

Are you sure? I have the same issue if I download photos direct from my Canon P&S. I had to buy a card reader to overcome the problem.

GinaRothfels

Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark III

Olympus 8mm f/1.8 M.Zuiko Digital ED Fisheye PRO Lens

06/17/2017 02:21:06 PM · #16

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by sfalice:
Taken with a smartphone? Anybody think of asking the "Smart"phone what happened? Ken, better subpoena that Smartphone right away.

The smartphone wasn't the problem, it was the windows software that did the downloading :-(

Are you sure? I have the same issue if I download photos direct from my Canon P&S. I had to buy a card reader to overcome the problem.

Canon RF 100-500mm F4.5-7.1 L IS USM

06/17/2017 10:44:23 AM · #17

This is all we know about the software:

Originally posted by snip from EXIF:

Camera Model Name: Lumia 735
Orientation: Horizontal (normal)
Software: Windows Phone

JakeKurdsjuk

Canon EOS R5

06/17/2017 06:18:32 AM · #18

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

As always, it's good to know what "the windows software" was, and what methods and software work and what does not for these types of transfers. I don't shoot much with my smartphone, but it would be good to know just in case.

It's also good to consider that you don't want to delete that original from your phone until after validation as you can always find another way to extract it that doesn't corrupt - or even submit the original via browser directly from the phone.

06/16/2017 11:45:13 PM · #19

Originally posted by sfalice:

Taken with a smartphone? Anybody think of asking the "Smart"phone what happened? Ken, better subpoena that Smartphone right away.

The smartphone wasn't the problem, it was the windows software that did the downloading :-(

sfalice

Canon PowerShot SX60 HS

06/16/2017 11:17:05 PM · #20

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

We have had to disqualify the former 3rd-place image in the "Flowers IV" Challenge because a valid original could not be produced, due to a modification of the EXIF during transfer from phone to computer :-( Congratulations to our new ribboner and HMs!

Oh, NO. Not that one! It was (without taking away anything from the others) the most original of flower pictures that I've seen in a long time.

Taken with a smartphone? Anybody think of asking the "Smart"phone what happened? Ken, better subpoena that Smartphone right away.

glad2badad

DJI Mavic Air 2

Sears 55mm f/1.4 M42

06/16/2017 10:42:19 PM · #21

Be careful Ken. SC on this site have the power to remove, or fire, the investigator. That's the way it works nowadays you know. Just sayin'. :-)

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.4D

06/16/2017 07:02:35 PM · #22

Originally posted by raish:

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by Lydia:
I'm not saying SC did anything wrong

Now I don't want to stir up any trouble or make accusations, but I think the appointment of a special investigator is called for.

That Brutus is an honourable man.

I consider it an honour, at my age, still to BE a man, and not a brute :-)

raish

Olympus C-2500L

06/16/2017 05:32:39 PM · #23

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by Lydia:
I'm not saying SC did anything wrong

Now I don't want to stir up any trouble or make accusations, but I think the appointment of a special investigator is called for.

That Brutus is an honourable man.

Art Roflmao

Canon EOS-6D Mark II