Dadaism challenge Why not in Extended?

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09/26/2017 11:01:08 AM · #6

Originally posted by RKT:

Originally posted by mefnj:

Originally posted by RKT:
"that makes no sense for this challenge, given that is what most of the Dadaist artwork was... pieces of photos composited together"

Not true, not even close. Also Dada isn't a "style", but more a way of thinking.

are you seriously going to say compositing pieces is not very common in Dadaism? Google "Dadaism" and you get image after image of composited pieces. and even the 3D artwork was often several things stuck together in unexpected/nonsensical ways.

i'm not stupid. i realize there is a philosophy of "anti-art" in Dadaism, but at least in my searching over several days, a lot of it is composites.

I never called you stupid.

I was responding to "most of the Dadaist artwork was..." Bold is mine, word is yours. I never used the google to look up Dada, but I did pull out a couple of the several modern art/sculpture/photography history books I held on to from college to brush up. I was never a big fan of the movement, though I did enjoy Man Rays photographic work very much. Collage, assemblage, etc. is absolutely part of Dadaism, but I didn't want readers of this thread thinking it was the "most".

:-)

thanks for clarifying. i guess we can chalk another one up of Google search giving the wrong impression about something... probably just the "low-brow" and most "popular" pieces. :-)

RKT

Canon EOS-60D

09/26/2017 09:28:38 AM · #7

Originally posted by mefnj:

Originally posted by RKT:
"that makes no sense for this challenge, given that is what most of the Dadaist artwork was... pieces of photos composited together"

Not true, not even close. Also Dada isn't a "style", but more a way of thinking.

are you seriously going to say compositing pieces is not very common in Dadaism? Google "Dadaism" and you get image after image of composited pieces. and even the 3D artwork was often several things stuck together in unexpected/nonsensical ways.

i'm not stupid. i realize there is a philosophy of "anti-art" in Dadaism, but at least in my searching over several days, a lot of it is composites.

I never called you stupid.

I was responding to "most of the Dadaist artwork was..." Bold is mine, word is yours. I never used the google to look up Dada, but I did pull out a couple of the several modern art/sculpture/photography history books I held on to from college to brush up. I was never a big fan of the movement, though I did enjoy Man Rays photographic work very much. Collage, assemblage, etc. is absolutely part of Dadaism, but I didn't want readers of this thread thinking it was the "most".

:-)

snaffles

Olympus 17mm f/1.8 M.Zuiko

09/26/2017 08:13:11 AM · #8

*reading thread* Oh jeez, what a can of worms...just glad I've already shot it.

ubique

Olympus PEN-F

09/26/2017 06:11:36 AM · #9

Originally posted by skewsme:

Originally posted by mefnj:

Originally posted by skewsme:
please if you don't like it, just shoot a urinal and be done with it. thank you.

wow! where is that coming from? i didn't say i didn't like it. i just don't want to get DQ'd. please take it down a notch.

This wasn't directed at anyone- it was about Duchamp's fountain.

Duchamp's fontaine fou?? Zut! I piss on Duchamp's fountain!

skewsme

Canon EOS-6D

Canon EF 200mm f/2.8 L II USM Lens

09/26/2017 01:42:40 AM · #10

Originally posted by mefnj:

Originally posted by skewsme:
please if you don't like it, just shoot a urinal and be done with it. thank you.

wow! where is that coming from? i didn't say i didn't like it. i just don't want to get DQ'd. please take it down a notch.

This wasn't directed at anyone- it was about Duchamp's fountain.

Samsung Galaxy S21, S21+, S21 Ultra

09/25/2017 11:30:46 PM · #11

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by mefnj:
are you seriously going to say compositing pieces is not very common in Dadaism? Google "Dadaism" and you get image after image of composited pieces. and even the 3D artwork was often several things stuck together in unexpected/nonsensical ways.

I'm not stupid. I realize there is a philosophy of "anti-art" in Dadaism, but at least in my searching over several days, a lot of it is composites.

Of COURSE they composited. And so may you, if you use found materials like they did and create assemblages from them and photograph them. Magazine pages, newspaper headlines, bus schedules. Tide tables, go for it! 3-dimensional found objects. go for it. Where you're gonna run into trouble is if you composite newish materiel of your own making into photo-realistic assemblages.

Relax a little, have fun. That's what this challenge is about :-)

c'mon... now you are putting new conditions on what can be composited based on whether it is "found" or newly created. if that's the case, it should have been added as a special rule for this challenge.

and you keep using the term "photorealistic"... if i captured a photo of a cat and a photo of wooden rocking horse, printed them out, and then stuck the cat's head on the rocking horse body, that would not really be photorealistic. it is not meant to fool anyone into thinking it was a real object in the real world. it would be a composite of two new photos, which according to your new "found materials" rule would be subject to a DQ.

Bear_Music

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

09/25/2017 10:37:04 PM · #12

Originally posted by mefnj:

are you seriously going to say compositing pieces is not very common in Dadaism? Google "Dadaism" and you get image after image of composited pieces. and even the 3D artwork was often several things stuck together in unexpected/nonsensical ways.

I'm not stupid. I realize there is a philosophy of "anti-art" in Dadaism, but at least in my searching over several days, a lot of it is composites.

Of COURSE they composited. And so may you, if you use found materials like they did and create assemblages from them and photograph them. Magazine pages, newspaper headlines, bus schedules. Tide tables, go for it! 3-dimensional found objects. go for it. Where you're gonna run into trouble is if you composite newish materiel of your own making into photo-realistic assemblages.

Relax a little, have fun. That's what this challenge is about :-)

09/25/2017 10:32:40 PM · #13

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

You can incorporate text if it is included in your composition before shooting. It can't be a copyright notice or anything that identifies you. You can't add it in post.

i totally get that i can't add text in post under standard.

but are you agreeing that my first scenario... assembly of pieces from one or more PHYSICAL, printed out photos and then capturing the end result ... is legal under Standard rules?

i'm not trying to be difficult, just don't want to waste my time doing something that is illegal and likely to get DQ'd.

Message edited by author 2017-09-25 22:34:11.

09/25/2017 10:26:34 PM · #14

Originally posted by skewsme:

please if you don't like it, just shoot a urinal and be done with it. thank you.

wow! where is that coming from? i didn't say i didn't like it. i just don't want to get DQ'd. please take it down a notch.

Canon EF 200mm f/2.8 L II USM Lens

09/25/2017 10:25:03 PM · #15

Originally posted by RKT:

"that makes no sense for this challenge, given that is what most of the Dadaist artwork was... pieces of photos composited together"

Not true, not even close. Also Dada isn't a "style", but more a way of thinking.

are you seriously going to say compositing pieces is not very common in Dadaism? Google "Dadaism" and you get image after image of composited pieces. and even the 3D artwork was often several things stuck together in unexpected/nonsensical ways.

i'm not stupid. i realize there is a philosophy of "anti-art" in Dadaism, but at least in my searching over several days, a lot of it is composites.

skewsme

Canon EOS-6D

09/25/2017 10:21:52 PM · #16

please if you don't like it, just shoot a urinal and be done with it. thank you.

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S21, S21+, S21 Ultra

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

09/25/2017 09:59:08 PM · #17

You can incorporate text if it is included in your composition before shooting. It can't be a copyright notice or anything that identifies you. You can't add it in post.

RKT

Canon EOS-60D

Sigma 85mm f/1.4 for Canon

09/25/2017 09:50:29 PM · #18

Samsung Galaxy S21, S21+, S21 Ultra

09/25/2017 06:48:54 PM · #19

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by mefnj:
maybe a SC can weigh in...

i am assuming this workflow is legal under Standard rules
1) capture photos
2) print photos
3) cut photos up
4) assemble photos into single scene
5) capture photo of scene
6) additional editing of the final capture in compliance with Standard rules

if above is legal, would replacing steps (2) to (4) with digital assembly, then printing and capturing a final photograph be legal?

i am asking mostly because it is far easier to work with digital "cutouts" than actual hardcopy prints, but is still in the spirit of this Dadaism challenge.

Don pretty well nailed this one, albeit with his deadpan sarcasm. We don't allow the creation of photomontages to circumvent the standard editing rules.

The "artwork" rule says "You may include existing artwork in your entry, but photo-realistic artwork such as printed photos, monitor images or realistic illustrations must either be clearly presented as artwork or used only as a minor supporting element. Using photo-realistic artwork to simulate physical objects or backgrounds that provide the primary impact of an entry will be grounds for disqualification."

That precludes what you are discussing. Both halves of it, actually.

wait wait wait... when you say "both halves of it, actually" are you saying the first scenario of making a collage/composite from photo printouts that are cut up would be illegal?

that makes no sense for this challenge, given that is what most of the Dadaist artwork was... pieces of photos composited together.

and on a related note, some of the Dadaist used words on their works, basically cut out from newspapers or magazines. this is not text added during editing as the Standard rules state. if i print some text and add it to my collage, that would be illegal for this challenge under Standard editing rules?

please clarify. thanks.

Bear_Music

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

09/25/2017 04:10:46 PM · #20

Originally posted by mefnj:

maybe a SC can weigh in...

i am assuming this workflow is legal under Standard rules
1) capture photos
2) print photos
3) cut photos up
4) assemble photos into single scene
5) capture photo of scene
6) additional editing of the final capture in compliance with Standard rules

if above is legal, would replacing steps (2) to (4) with digital assembly, then printing and capturing a final photograph be legal?

i am asking mostly because it is far easier to work with digital "cutouts" than actual hardcopy prints, but is still in the spirit of this Dadaism challenge.

Don pretty well nailed this one, albeit with his deadpan sarcasm. We don't allow the creation of photomontages to circumvent the standard editing rules.

The "artwork" rule says "You may include existing artwork in your entry, but photo-realistic artwork such as printed photos, monitor images or realistic illustrations must either be clearly presented as artwork or used only as a minor supporting element. Using photo-realistic artwork to simulate physical objects or backgrounds that provide the primary impact of an entry will be grounds for disqualification."

That precludes what you are discussing. Both halves of it, actually.

posthumous

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Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

09/25/2017 01:40:23 PM · #21

Originally posted by mefnj:

so in other words, make a photo with extended editing rules, print it out, and then take a picture of it.

I don't see any possible problem with that. That's not subverting Standard editing rules at all.

Oh yes, this should be smooth sailing for you.