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01/26/2006 11:19:35 PM · #1 |
| Wow congratulations Lee. That's exciting! Nice amount of money plus a copy of the book. WTG |
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01/26/2006 11:09:21 PM · #2 |
Originally posted by MadMan2k:
Sweet! That's really great, congrats. So what kinda present are you buying yourself next? |
Hmm... something along the lines of the Tokina 12-24 or Canon 10-22 |
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01/26/2006 05:43:10 PM · #3 |
| Sweet! That's really great, congrats. So what kinda present are you buying yourself next? |
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01/26/2006 05:21:20 PM · #4 |
Don't forget to buy yourself a present! :) Congrats!!
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01/26/2006 05:14:14 PM · #5 |
| that is excellent news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! way to go, (can i have your autograph) ;p |
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01/26/2006 05:05:18 PM · #6 |
Just one final update:
Received the money today ... $700 in US funds. And Katya told me that they will be contacting me when that do the next season's books. I will be receiving free copies of each.
:-D!!
I WINNNnnnnnnnnnnn!
Lee
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01/12/2006 05:39:41 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by stdavidson:
Originally posted by Tranquil:
Well I sent out an invoice yesterday and received an e-mail today stating that everything is a-okay. They are going to wire 400 british pounds into a checking account asap and they got my images and are happy (through e-mail). |
Here is something fun... A Google search on the name "Katya Aplin" turns up a picture of someone by that name downing a pint of beer. My kinda gal!
//www.gagravarr.org/cgi-bin/photopub/display.pl?photo=/nick/1424&rotate=90
It is on a guy named Nick Burch's website. Nick lives in Oxford, England and has a DeviantArt account so it is entirely possible it is the same Katya. |
haha that's priceless! always good to know who i'm dealing with :-p |
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01/12/2006 03:10:15 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by Tranquil:
Well I sent out an invoice yesterday and received an e-mail today stating that everything is a-okay. They are going to wire 400 british pounds into a checking account asap and they got my images and are happy (through e-mail). |
Here is something fun... A Google search on the name "Katya Aplin" turns up a picture of someone by that name downing a pint of beer. My kinda gal!
//www.gagravarr.org/cgi-bin/photopub/display.pl?photo=/nick/1424&rotate=90
It is on a guy named Nick Burch's website. Nick lives in Oxford, England and has a DeviantArt account so it is entirely possible it is the same Katya.
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01/12/2006 02:41:46 PM · #9 |
Well I sent out an invoice yesterday and received an e-mail today stating that everything is a-okay. They are going to wire 400 british pounds into a checking account asap and they got my images and are happy (through e-mail).
They said that they will be doing next season's books soon, and that I should be receiving an e-mail about more covers in the near future.
Yay :)
Lee |
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12/31/2005 10:13:11 AM · #10 |
I've done this sort of thing quite a few times and have views somewhat similar to what alan describes. There's no real need to counter offer if you are just trying to up the price by $50 - that just looks cheap frankly.
If the offer is wildly off industry standard rates, you could ask for something realistic, but just trying to bump them 20% or so seems not very professional or at least, limits the opportunities for them wanting to work with you again.
I disagree a wee bit on not getting some sort of rights agreement - I typically just work out what rights they are asking for and make sure they understand the scope - it doesn't have to be a long involved contract process - I just send a copy to them along with the invoice for
the image. Because of doing this and restricting rights to what is asked for and no more, I've managed to sell one image 3 times, for an extra $1000. If I hadn't gotten the limits in writing each time, the follow-on sales to other companies couldn't have happened. But it shouldn't be hard.
Thing is - it's a pretty small industry for repeat buyers, you don't want to be a walkover, but you want to be professional and someone they
want to work with again, rather than annoying, straight away.
Another thing - given that they have a continuing need for good pictures, when you finalise this sale and send the pictures, try to
ask politely if they have other needs. You probably have enough good
images to sell another 10 to them if you handle it right - in general
it's easier to buy again from someone who works well with you than start
from new each time.
Oh and Alan missed a step off his list after 'buy a present'
7. Pay taxes on profits
You'll need to think a bit about the tax implications - probably not any if you just make 400UKP and don't have a job, but it can start to become an issue. They'll certainly report the sale.
But overall - congrats! Enjoy it, it's a great feeling and the money isn't bad too!
Message edited by author 2005-12-31 10:17:19. |
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12/31/2005 09:55:41 AM · #11 |
Got a reply:
Hi Lee,
I hope you had a merry Christmas? In terms of how we would need the images - we tend to work with A4 sized jpgs, so if you could send us the highest resolution images you have (I wonder whether it might not be better to burn them onto a disc if they are large files, but if you email them to me first I can let you know whether I get them - sorry, temperamental email...) - you probably know formats better than I do, but I believe our designer can work with TIF as well, basically the best quality versions you have, with a minimum 300dpi.
In terms of payment, if you can send us an Invoice, basically along these lines:
Your Name
Your Address
INVOICE
Provision of Images for Front Covers by Hesperus Press Ltd.
Image 1 title price
Image 2 title price
total
Signature
and then let us know to whom to write out a cheque, and we will get it off to you as soon as we get it, let me know if that's ok.
The links you asked for are (I hope this works...)
//www.deviantart.com/view/16074641/
and
//www.deviantart.com/view/15300386/
I hope I've not missed anything, as I won't now be back in the office till Tuesday, but let me know if I have, and I'll wish you a happy New Year!
K
I'm thinking about asking if they can pay using PayPal... is that inappropriate? or by international money order...
another problem... both those shots happened to be taken at ISO 800! .. so I've done some minor noise reduction on them.. hope it's stil alright.. they are a little blocky and noisy if blown up very large...
Should be sending out a reply later today.
Just keepin ya updated,
Lee
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12/23/2005 10:49:43 PM · #12 |
| I do have the parental consent if needed. I figure that legally they will come to me with what needs to be done. Or am I being naive? |
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12/23/2005 10:20:49 PM · #13 |
Wait, if he's 15, is he actually able to sell the rights to his photo's? Is there a parental consent thing that may come in here.
Just thinking out loud here.
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12/23/2005 10:16:25 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by oOWonderBreadOo:
Consider yourself officially kicked! :0P |
Thanks for sticking to the shins anyway. ;-) |
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12/23/2005 09:26:49 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
I may get kicked in the shins for this, but if I am a 15 year old kid who took some pics for fun and posted them then was offered several hundred dollars for them, I wouldn't risk mucking up the opportunity with lawyers, contracts, demands, etc.
Without all that legal stuff what exactly is Tranquil risking? |
Consider yourself officially kicked! :0P
15??? Wow that is a pretty big deal then huh!!! Honestly tho, all those things are pretty standard on any contract and they probably do have it in their paperwork already. (Although with us it's in our photographer invoice- not something the other company always has.) |
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12/23/2005 06:00:48 PM · #16 |
These guys look like a legitimate small house, so what might happen if it sells over a milloin copies seems rather a remote worry.
They will have in in house contract which will have been drafted by their lawyers, and messing with that, in more than the most minor way would be a big headache for them, since it would involve running it past legal again. Ask for a copy of their standard contract and ask a someone you trust to look it over.
I can see no reason to try to ratchet up the price, though you might ask for a hanfull of copies of the book your shots end up on. She is offering what looks like a fair deal, don't make this too hard for her. |
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12/23/2005 05:15:23 PM · #17 |
I may get kicked in the shins for this, but if I am a 15 year old kid who took some pics for fun and posted them then was offered several hundred dollars for them, I wouldn't risk mucking up the opportunity with lawyers, contracts, demands, etc.
Without all that legal stuff what exactly is Tranquil risking? |
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12/23/2005 05:05:46 PM · #18 |
contract!
should say things like
copyright remains with photographer
one time use rights (worldwide?) first edition only for press run of ??? and the use (ie- 1/4 page full page?). If their book sells a million they would (and should!) have to come back to you for another use. The price seems fair if it is a full page or less. If they want a double page spread or a cover they should pay more and I wouldn't hesitate to ask.
I do this stuff all the time but the contracts are at work so if you need help just PM me, but those are pretty much the basics :0)
~Laura
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12/23/2005 03:52:21 PM · #19 |
congrats tranquil!
my only word of caution would be make sure you either sign a contract or receive a check before you send out your photos. Congrats again!
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12/23/2005 03:48:09 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by wavelength:
I think the word you're looking for is: proACTIVE. not progressive. :O)
Just messing with you. Very well written correspondance. |
Hey... I wasn't WRITING the book
oh wait...
i've done that too...
lol :) now I know! haha |
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12/23/2005 03:44:43 PM · #21 |
I think the word you're looking for is: proACTIVE. not progressive. :O)
Just messing with you. Very well written correspondance.
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12/23/2005 03:44:41 PM · #22 |
I don't have experience selling photos like this, but have done some writing for publication. They should either send you a contract, or send you a check. Either way should be fine. As for the exclusivity issue, if they don't ask for it, and define its terms in a contract, then they have not acquired it, and the images belong to you.
It sounds like a nice deal to me. I'd want to know how I was being credited (on the jacket? on the coverleaf? on the titlepage??) and I'd definitely want a few complimentary copies.
Good luck! |
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12/23/2005 03:34:23 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by alanfreed:
Originally posted by hankk:
You may be able to ask them for a copy or two of the book with your photo (or at least a couple coppies of the cover), or use of the entire cover for your portfolio |
That's something I meant to mention, too... I always ask for a copy of the finished product, and 99.9% of these folks are glad to send a copy or two once it comes out. That's a perfectly good thing to request! |
Yea, I will definitely do this when I get things squared away. Here is my response that I sent back:
Hi Katya. Thanks for the reply and a Merry Christmas to yourself!
I am flattered by the offer and I think that we can most definitely come to an agreement on this. I will do my best to be prompt in replying and complying with your requests and procedures for this type of venture. If you could take things a step further and provide me with more specific details regarding how I should send to you the images, in what format you want them, etc., as well as how payments are made and some other fine details, then that would be great. The price you have mentioned is fair and fine.
I know that you have said the two images of interest were "Orchid" and "Floral II". Although I know what images you are talking about, just to be certain it would be great if you could provide me with the links to the photographs so that there isn't any misundestanding as to which images we are discussing. Thanks.
Hopefully you can get back to me before you close up for the holidays. If so, I will try and be progressive and have things ready for you by the time you return on the 3rd. Either way, just let me know what the next steps are and provide me with the information that I need. Hopefully we can continue in making this a painless process!
Have a wonderful holiday. I hope to hear from you soon.
Thanks again,
Lee Saper
Just moving one step closer, but I am trying to be progressive. As far as pricing goes, I think what they offered was fair and is fine for a first time for me.
Thanks for your input everyone!
Lee
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12/23/2005 03:30:31 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by hankk:
You may be able to ask them for a copy or two of the book with your photo (or at least a couple coppies of the cover), or use of the entire cover for your portfolio |
That's something I meant to mention, too... I always ask for a copy of the finished product, and 99.9% of these folks are glad to send a copy or two once it comes out. That's a perfectly good thing to request! |
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12/23/2005 03:28:17 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by A1275:
Hi Lee,
The price they quoted you seems reasonable to me; have seen many other shots for the same purpose go for that price at macro stock sites.
One thing caught my eye in your profile -- your age. Does the buyer realize you are under the age of consent with regard to contracting out the licensing of this image? It probably won't matter with regard to the sale, but they may wish to have the contract also signed by a parent or guardian so that you can't come back later and void it claiming you were a minor.
Edited to add: having now seen AlanFreed's post, I'm in agreement. If they don't want exclusive use of your image, take the $ and run.
--Laurie |
You may be able to ask them for a copy or two of the book with your photo (or at least a couple coppies of the cover), or use of the entire cover for your portfolio |
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