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06/04/2009 08:06:52 AM · #1
Originally posted by jellybelly:

Originally posted by Manic:


- Don't forget to vote as though the photo is legal!


so:
- Don't forget to vote as though the photo is legal!



Yup, am guessing my current free study shot is not scoring as well as expected due to the above 'rule' not being followed, that or my submission really is a below average shot for me (and I love it).
06/04/2009 07:58:43 AM · #2
Originally posted by Manic:


- Don't forget to vote as though the photo is legal!


I remember a while ago in blurry mess an image marked down as people thought it was breaking the rules.



so:
- Don't forget to vote as though the photo is legal!

Regards

Michael
06/04/2009 06:53:55 AM · #3
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:


I believe raging dark hell is legal in basic.


In fact, is not Basic one of the First 5 Circles of Hell (Upper Hell)?

(I think Unedited, Straight From Camera, Neutral Unsharpened JPEGS Only* is the 9th Circle of Hell

*Hitler shoots jpeg....
06/04/2009 04:05:31 AM · #4
Originally posted by ineedauniquename:

Regarding the basic editing rules can I just clarify the degree of editing allowed. The rules indicate that modifcation to saturation etc is allowed so long as it is applied uniformally across the whole picture.

Is there an implied 'reasonable' ammount of such adjustment or can it be extreme? For instance I have taken landscape pictures in which by modifying input/output curves for luma/chroma etc I've turned the sky from a rather gentle fluffy white cloudscape into a raging dark hell (with no spot or area selection edit btw) - would an entry with such degree of editing be acceptable?

I believe raging dark hell is legal in basic.
06/04/2009 03:19:23 AM · #5
Regarding the basic editing rules can I just clarify the degree of editing allowed. The rules indicate that modifcation to saturation etc is allowed so long as it is applied uniformally across the whole picture.

Is there an implied 'reasonable' ammount of such adjustment or can it be extreme? For instance I have taken landscape pictures in which by modifying input/output curves for luma/chroma etc I've turned the sky from a rather gentle fluffy white cloudscape into a raging dark hell (with no spot or area selection edit btw) - would an entry with such degree of editing be acceptable?
03/04/2009 04:48:12 PM · #6
By the way, just so you understand, side challenge participants choose themselves to participate - no other selection process. Just find something that may interest you and join in. Good way to get to know people here! Also, check out the Posthumous Ribbons of the Week thread, where often "out of the box" (but still within the realm of the challenge) entries are posted by anyone who feels an entry deserves extra recognition. Note also that it is not good form to post your own image there. :) And welcome to DPC!
03/04/2009 04:37:33 PM · #7
I plan on getting a paid account in the near future. I just won't participate in a side challenge until I do so then.

Thanks for helping me get acquainted with DPC guys, I appreciate it.
03/04/2009 04:35:03 PM · #8
Originally posted by JEason:

How does one get involved in these side challenges? I just took a look and it seems that they all select their own participants.

Thanks for the info by the way.


Just have a look through the side challenge forum. Ideas are usually posted for signup the month prior. In most cases people are also welcome to join a side challenge in the middle. It's not terribly formal. Just post in the thread asking to cut in if you can, or PM the member that is heading up the side challenge.

BTW, since you don't have a paid account, you won't be able to post the images here. You can, however, use BBcode to post thumbnail links to a shot on your Flickr page. (The easiest way is with the "all sizes plus" script for greasemonkey. PM me if you need more info) The limitation to that method is you will not be able to get comments from DPC members who are not also on Flickr.

Message edited by author 2009-03-04 16:41:01.
03/04/2009 04:30:31 PM · #9
Originally posted by JEason:

Shouldn't expression and creativity be seen as a good thing even in a structural challenge?

There is a reason it is out of the box. Such different approaches are often rewarded with low votes because not everyone thinks that way. I have a few of my own that I thought fit the topic very well, but got a lot of low votes and comments from people that didn't understand the topic the way I did. When I have one of those, I take some delight when the rare someone leaves a comment indicating that they totally get what I was illustrating.
03/04/2009 04:29:45 PM · #10
Originally posted by Five_Seat:


The challenges are fun, but if you are looking for an additional creative outlet, you should consider the side challanges that are run every month. They are much less formal and some memebers swear by them. I am in my first right now, The March De-Sat, and it is a refreshing change from normal DPC life.


How does one get involved in these side challenges? I just took a look and it seems that they all select their own participants.

Thanks for the info by the way.
03/04/2009 04:29:26 PM · #11
Originally posted by JEason:

Shouldn't expression and creativity be seen as a good thing even in a structural challenge?

Yes, but you have to be creative within the public's perception of the topic. That's why it's called a challenge, and more often than not outside the box is also outside the theme.
03/04/2009 04:23:47 PM · #12
Originally posted by JEason:

It seems as if people are hampering creativity by voting poorly on a (possibly good) photo because it doesn't meet their personal convictions of what and what shouldn't be in the challenge. If someone tries to do something out-of-the-box isn't this a good thing? Photography is art and, with any type of art, it is expressive. Shouldn't expression and creativity be seen as a good thing even in a structural challenge?


Welcome to DPC.

This sentiment has been expressed and argued for/against in the forums countless times. The challenges are fun, but if you are looking for an additional creative outlet, you should consider the side challanges that are run every month. They are much less formal and some memebers swear by them. I am in my first right now, The March De-Sat, and it is a refreshing change from normal DPC life.

My $.02.
03/04/2009 04:15:58 PM · #13
It seems as if people are hampering creativity by voting poorly on a (possibly good) photo because it doesn't meet their personal convictions of what and what shouldn't be in the challenge. If someone tries to do something out-of-the-box isn't this a good thing? Photography is art and, with any type of art, it is expressive. Shouldn't expression and creativity be seen as a good thing even in a structural challenge?
03/04/2009 01:39:42 PM · #14
If it's a matter of meeting the editing rules, then the voters are supposed to assume the entry is legal. If it's a matter of meeting the challenge, then the onus is on the photographer to communicate that topic. Suitability is in the eye of the beholder, and voters are asked to keep the topic in mind. If voters don't think a photo meets the challenge, then they are entitled to vote accordingly. Your opportunity to influence voter opinions ends when you hit the submit button.
03/04/2009 01:32:39 PM · #15
There have been comments on my photo during the current "skin" challenge indicating to me that people are most likely giving me a low score because in their opinion my picture doesn't meet the challenge guidelines. Is there anyway to tell if this is true or anyway to prevent this or report it? Should I report the individual comments that people said they need to think about my shot because they don't believe it meets the challenge guidelines?

Thanks,
Justen
09/22/2008 08:21:09 AM · #16
Originally posted by BobbyNiel:


Even I have the same doubt, if the photos are repeated then what could be the effect with DQ?


The photo gets removed from voting and is not eligible for challenge placement. Depending on the timing, there may also be additional penalties.
09/22/2008 05:44:02 AM · #17
Originally posted by Manic:

Originally posted by nshapiro:

- Same photo sumbitted to two challenges. (Yes, I know, it has to be the EXACT same frame, but if you suspect, then request DQ)

Ah yes, well spotted :o) Of course, my list is more a set of examples rather than a definitive list, and any suspected rules violation (including image recycling) should be reported.


Even I have the same doubt, if the photos are repeated then what could be the effect with DQ?
01/28/2008 06:05:52 PM · #18
Originally posted by vencap:

How do you add comments after voting all photos?

I tried but it doesn't seem to save the comment.

Thanks.


just click your vote again to save it.
01/28/2008 05:50:31 PM · #19
How do you add comments after voting all photos?

I tried but it doesn't seem to save the comment.

Thanks.

10/20/2007 07:53:22 PM · #20
Originally posted by nutzito:

Originally posted by Manic:


....
ADDITIONAL

Good reasons for raising a DQ request (for normal open rules):
....
- The photo consists of a composite of multiple images that couldn't have been created in-camera (ie multiple exposures in-camera are legal).
...."


I thought multiple exposures in-camera were not legal. Could you please clarify ?


Just to clear up any confusion on the part of a potential reader --
Manic's quote is from December, 2003. :)

Things have changed since then.
10/20/2007 07:40:21 PM · #21
Originally posted by scalvert:

Covering and uncovering the lens or using multiple flashes in a dark room during a long exposure can both yield legal in-camera multiple exposures. What you can't do is combine separate captures in a camera.


thanks for clrifying it. That is exactly what I thought. Maybe a simpler why to say it would be "Any kind of in-camera multiple exposing is legal IF the shutter is released only ONCE"
10/18/2007 05:58:01 PM · #22

"- Don't forget to vote as though the photo is legal! "
10/18/2007 04:41:46 PM · #23
Covering and uncovering the lens or using multiple flashes in a dark room during a long exposure can both yield legal in-camera multiple exposures. What you can't do is combine separate captures in a camera.
10/18/2007 04:41:13 PM · #24
thanks!!
10/18/2007 04:29:01 PM · #25
Originally posted by nutzito:

Originally posted by Manic:


....
ADDITIONAL

Good reasons for raising a DQ request (for normal open rules):
....
- The photo consists of a composite of multiple images that couldn't have been created in-camera (ie multiple exposures in-camera are legal).
...."


I thought multiple exposures in-camera were not legal. Could you please clarify ?


they used to be legal at the time of the post. that changed in the last year.
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