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 12/16/2009 08:04:22 AM · #1
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
I was asked recently to stop taking photos in a shopping centre by a rather annoying, petty, jobs-worthy security guard. It was worth it though to see the genuinely worried look on his face when i told him i'd 'already captured the shopping centres' soul' and was done for the day. For a second he looked really concerned by the idea before deciding i was a nutter.


Here lies most of the problem. Your attitude towards security guards doesn't tell me you're going to respect him when he comes to ask you a question about your activities. Everyone thinks security guards are idiots and when they come down to do their job, we get all flustered and start reciting our rights to them. I'm not saying there aren't guards who are idiots but most of them are just doing their job and must feel like crap for asking you to stop doing what you love. They're following orders and doing their job as best they can. Why the animosity?


Ah, thats true jac. I do hold my hands up and accept that i was maybe out of order there. In my defence he was pretty funny though and i do find it hard to keep a straight face when confronted with a certain comedic officiousness in some people. If he'd just come over and asked what i was doing and told me i wasn't allowed i probably wouldn't have made fun of him.

Originally posted by Jac:
Your attitude towards security guards doesn't tell me you're going to respect him when he comes to ask you a question about your activities.


In this case i respected him until just after he'd asked a question in such a ridiculous bumptious way. Then i quickly lost all respect and couldn't help myself.

Message edited by author 2009-12-16 08:08:56.
 12/16/2009 07:47:01 AM · #2
Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
I was asked recently to stop taking photos in a shopping centre by a rather annoying, petty, jobs-worthy security guard. It was worth it though to see the genuinely worried look on his face when i told him i'd 'already captured the shopping centres' soul' and was done for the day. For a second he looked really concerned by the idea before deciding i was a nutter.


Here lies most of the problem. Your attitude towards security guards doesn't tell me you're going to respect him when he comes to ask you a question about your activities. Everyone thinks security guards are idiots and when they come down to do their job, we get all flustered and start reciting our rights to them. I'm not saying there aren't guards who are idiots but most of them are just doing their job and must feel like crap for asking you to stop doing what you love. They're following orders and doing their job as best they can. Why the animosity?
 12/16/2009 07:28:47 AM · #3
Originally posted by doctornick:
Does she look like a terrorist?


I don't know as I could not open the link.

In the interim however, would you be so kind as to provide a quick description as to what exactly a terrrorist looks like in order that I might keep an alert eye out for one. I truly would hate for one of "them" to attempt to blow up any of the cows where I live. :O)

Ray
 12/16/2009 07:15:19 AM · #4
Does she look like a terrorist?
 12/16/2009 07:12:03 AM · #5
...and more.
 12/16/2009 06:56:57 AM · #6
It never ends!!!
 12/09/2009 01:46:25 PM · #7
Well my friend is in England - not Wales, not Scotland, not Northern Ireland. England. But, I still like to yank his chain by saying Britland.
 12/09/2009 01:00:34 PM · #8
Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
Originally posted by ragamuffingirl:
I have an online friend in England that I like to tease by referring to England as Britland. I'm going to have to remember Britisher.


Ha! Some British often get frustrated by Americans who always refer to the UK as England. England is just one part of the UK people! Technically it refers to the large boring bit that is stuck onto Wales and Scotland.


British works for me - I get fed up with people trying to break the country up.

I don't put up with this nonsense on Zargon 7 - and people are free to take all the pictures they like ! In fact sometimes I insist - just for good measure . .

:-)

12/09/2009 12:07:07 PM · #9
Originally posted by ragamuffingirl:
I have an online friend in England that I like to tease by referring to England as Britland. I'm going to have to remember Britisher.


Ha! Some British often get frustrated by Americans who always refer to the UK as England. England is just one part of the UK people! Technically it refers to the large boring bit that is stuck onto Wales and Scotland.
 12/09/2009 12:02:11 PM · #10
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by Melethia:
Hey, here we ARE Americaners. And Americanerins. Or something like that.

Bloody Yanks, we are!

Ugly Americans, hooligans, misfits, malcontents, & ne'er-do-wells!


And proud of it too!!!

I have an online friend in England that I like to tease by referring to England as Britland. I'm going to have to remember Britisher.
 12/09/2009 11:35:58 AM · #11
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Perhaps if he had told the security guard that he was a freelance photographer he might have avoided this confrontation. ...
Rather sad that people can't interact in a more positive manner.

I know what you're saying, but I can also sympathize with anyone -- photographer or not -- who grows tired of being questioned by authority.
 12/09/2009 11:05:07 AM · #12
Originally posted by citymars:
Originally posted by doctornick:
Church photographer gets harassed by 7 police officers...

"Smith's trouble began when he refused to provide his name and explain what he was doing to a security guard from a nearby Bank of America office."
Yes, security guards hate it when you don't treat them with the deference they think they deserve.


Perhaps if he had told the security guard that he was a freelance photographer he might have avoided this confrontation.

The commments by the City of London Police do shed a great deal of light on the issue: ""When questioned by officers, the man declined to give an explanation and he was therefore informed that in light of the concerns of security staff and in the absence of an explanation, he would be searched under the Terrorism Act," said a spokesman. "After the man's bag was searched, he explained he was a freelance photographer taking photos of buildings. Once this explanation was received there was no further action."

Rather sad that people can't interact in a more positive manner.

Ray

12/09/2009 10:39:44 AM · #13
Originally posted by doctornick:
Church photographer gets harassed by 7 police officers...

"Smith's trouble began when he refused to provide his name and explain what he was doing to a security guard from a nearby Bank of America office."
Yes, security guards hate it when you don't treat them with the deference they think they deserve.
 12/09/2009 10:19:50 AM · #14
Church photographer gets harassed by 7 police officers...
 12/03/2009 01:39:52 PM · #15
Originally posted by Jedusi:
Originally posted by Simms:
One thing to bear in mind is that they are NEVER allowed to delete any images from your camera/card. This would be construed as tampering with evidence and would lead to a severe reprimand or even dismissal. If an officer asks you to delete any images then you can refuse point blank - granted you may get a `tug`, but you are perfectly within your rights to refuse.


Question is - if they take you in to the station will they then fingerprint and DNA you before letting you go ?

So for the price of a so-so picture you are now on a string of databases . . . hmmm . .


I don't think the police can fingerprint and DNA test you unless you are under arrest and charged with a specific crime. So, in this case, they would have to arrest you for suspicion of terrorist activity.
 12/03/2009 01:27:41 PM · #16
Originally posted by Simms:
One thing to bear in mind is that they are NEVER allowed to delete any images from your camera/card. This would be construed as tampering with evidence and would lead to a severe reprimand or even dismissal. If an officer asks you to delete any images then you can refuse point blank - granted you may get a `tug`, but you are perfectly within your rights to refuse.


Question is - if they take you in to the station will they then fingerprint and DNA you before letting you go ?

So for the price of a so-so picture you are now on a string of databases . . . hmmm . .

12/03/2009 01:23:37 PM · #17
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Simms:
... I mean, if I was a terrorist or planning an attrocity of some kind I would have the foresight to use a small point and shoot on my recon mission ...
Or shoot video with an iPod Nano ...


or stay at home and use Google Street Map . . it's no fun planning attrocities in the rain
 12/02/2009 10:02:08 PM · #18
Originally posted by Simms:
The high-vis vest idea is pretty cool - however what if when wearing this you are stopped by the police then asked why you are wearing a hard hat and high-vis vest when you are not working in the area..

The fuckers will get you either way.


Because acorns tend to hit me in the head pretty often and I didn't want cars to hit me, sir :)
 12/02/2009 08:56:44 PM · #19
...and it goes on and on...

//www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/warning-do-not-take-this-picture-1833127.html
 12/01/2009 06:45:48 PM · #20
Originally posted by Mick:
I designed this T-shirt specifically for situations such as this. Wearing one of these is guaranteed to keep the cops (bobbies?) off your back.



LOL.

Though I somehow don't see the police thinking it's funny.
 12/01/2009 06:26:20 PM · #21
Originally posted by Mick:
I designed this T-shirt specifically for situations such as this. Wearing one of these is guaranteed to keep the cops (bobbies?) off your back.



Haha! Thats fantastic Mick. I want one!
 12/01/2009 06:13:22 PM · #22
I designed this T-shirt specifically for situations such as this. Wearing one of these is guaranteed to keep the cops (bobbies?) off your back.




12/01/2009 06:06:08 PM · #23
The high-vis vest idea is pretty cool - however what if when wearing this you are stopped by the police then asked why you are wearing a hard hat and high-vis vest when you are not working in the area..

The fuckers will get you either way.
 12/01/2009 05:57:34 PM · #24
Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
[snip]
for when taking photographs with a tripod in town. I imagine people would tend to ignore you if you looked a bit like a surveyor or something.

three orange cones and make vague hand movements to someone ;)
 12/01/2009 05:40:47 PM · #25
Originally posted by dswann:
I think that your run of the mill security guard assumes that if you have an SLR (a "professional" camera) then you are a professional photographer and they run you off. It has happened to me at two different shopping malls. I never had any trouble with my point and shoot camera.


I'm seriously considering getting one of these...



for when taking photographs with a tripod in town. I imagine people would tend to ignore you if you looked a bit like a surveyor or something.

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