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05/26/2010 09:36:24 AM · #1 |
I was just wondering if anyone can give an idea on how the rest of the DPL shapes up, are the challenges in voting the last of the regular season? Are the ones open for submission the first round of the playoffs? Who makes it to the playoffs? Any help would be great.
Thanks.
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05/26/2010 09:42:20 AM · #2 |
Originally posted by Hot_Pixel:
I was just wondering if anyone can give an idea on how the rest of the DPL shapes up, are the challenges in voting the last of the regular season? Are the ones open for submission the first round of the playoffs? Who makes it to the playoffs? Any help would be great.
Thanks. |
The ones in voting are the last week of the regular season.
There is a week break before the start of the playoffs.
What is the tiebreaker for two teams with the same record? Head to Head record? |
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05/26/2010 09:47:56 AM · #3 |
I've been trying to find this info myself because our division is in a 3-way tie. This is from the FAQ:
5 - What happens at the end of the first 6 weeks of the season?
After the first 6 weeks, all the teams in each division will have played matches against the other teams. The team with the most wins (and highest average of Team Scores in the case of a tie) is the winner of that division, and will go into the playoffs.
So it would appear the tiebreaker is team average. I don't think that means the team average reported on your DPL team page, but the average of the top 5 from each week. That is only an assumption though because it isn't clear in the above FAQ. |
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05/26/2010 09:50:59 AM · #4 |
Of course the FAQ must be from last season because it still says "6 weeks" and DPL 2 is 5 weeks, so who knows? Head to head record wouldn't work for our 3-way tie because we've all beaten each other :)
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05/26/2010 09:51:09 AM · #5 |
| so is Life in your city a part of DPL? |
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05/26/2010 09:52:07 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by Chinabun:
so is Life in your city a part of DPL? |
Nope |
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05/26/2010 09:52:33 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by Chinabun:
so is Life in your city a part of DPL? |
No, it is not. |
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05/26/2010 09:56:48 AM · #8 |
crap!
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Originally posted by Chinabun:
so is Life in your city a part of DPL? |
No, it is not. |
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05/26/2010 10:04:59 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by klkitchens:
Originally posted by Hot_Pixel:
I was just wondering if anyone can give an idea on how the rest of the DPL shapes up, are the challenges in voting the last of the regular season? Are the ones open for submission the first round of the playoffs? Who makes it to the playoffs? Any help would be great.
Thanks. |
The ones in voting are the last week of the regular season.
There is a week break before the start of the playoffs.
What is the tiebreaker for two teams with the same record? Head to Head record? |
Click on league, then on the left hand side click on the Standings link. It will show your team rank. The ones that remain #1 when voting ends on this weeks open will play in the playoffs. |
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05/26/2010 10:06:17 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by Chinabun:
so is Life in your city a part of DPL? |
The scheduled matches are listed on this page. The dates for each round start with that week's Member challenge and run through the end of voting. May 24th (the Life in Your City challenge) is not listed, so it doesn't count. |
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05/26/2010 10:14:13 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Click on league, then on the left hand side click on the Standings link. It will show your team rank. The ones that remain #1 when voting ends on this weeks open will play in the playoffs. |
So you are assuming overall team average (all entries regardless if they counted for a round's score) is the deciding factor in case of ties? I would have thought it would have been by the average of all top 5 photos that counted each week. If that is the case then the "submit something no matter what" strategy is not necessarily the best, and I probably should have not submitted anything this season :)
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05/26/2010 10:14:50 AM · #12 |
In reference to this section of the FAQ
6 - How do the playoffs work?
The winning teams from each division all qualify for the playoffs. However, the rest of the details of the playoffs have yet to be finalised.
Have the rest of details been finalized (or finalised)?
In particular, will the division winners be the only teams in the playoffs, or will there be wild cards?
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05/26/2010 10:31:25 AM · #13 |
Yea, it is interesting that FAQ #5 is clear that only 1 team from each division advances and then you have #6 leaving it wide open.
Just an assumption but because the playoff rounds (1 and 2) are already set that must mean that only 8 teams can advance? I wished there was an option for wildcard teams because some very high averaging teams are going to be left out :(.
It would be neat if each conference (North, South, East, West) had a top seed that had an off week and during that off week the 8 wildcard teams played each other. The 4 winners of the wildcard week would then join the 4 conference winners to continue the playoffs. You would have a 12 team playoff with the same number of weeks that currently exist (the wildcard teams play during the break).
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05/26/2010 10:55:04 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by jasonlprice:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Click on league, then on the left hand side click on the Standings link. It will show your team rank. The ones that remain #1 when voting ends on this weeks open will play in the playoffs. |
So you are assuming overall team average (all entries regardless if they counted for a round's score) is the deciding factor in case of ties? I would have thought it would have been by the average of all top 5 photos that counted each week. If that is the case then the "submit something no matter what" strategy is not necessarily the best, and I probably should have not submitted anything this season :) |
I haven't checked, so I could be wrong, but I assumed that average was based on only the top 5 each week anyway. |
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05/26/2010 11:17:43 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by jasonlprice:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Click on league, then on the left hand side click on the Standings link. It will show your team rank. The ones that remain #1 when voting ends on this weeks open will play in the playoffs. |
So you are assuming overall team average (all entries regardless if they counted for a round's score) is the deciding factor in case of ties? I would have thought it would have been by the average of all top 5 photos that counted each week. If that is the case then the "submit something no matter what" strategy is not necessarily the best, and I probably should have not submitted anything this season :) |
I haven't checked, so I could be wrong, but I assumed that average was based on only the top 5 each week anyway. |
I just checked for our team and the average on the standings page IS the average of the qualifying top 5 scores.
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05/26/2010 12:53:20 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by klkitchens:
I just checked for our team and the average on the standings page IS the average of the qualifying top 5 scores. |
Maybe I'm doing something wrong on the calculations then...I get 71.92616% average when I average all of your team's top 5 photos and the standings page shows 71.9529%. My team's top 5 average is 94.3358%, but shows 92.9304% on the standings page.
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05/26/2010 01:54:41 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by jasonlprice:
Originally posted by klkitchens:
I just checked for our team and the average on the standings page IS the average of the qualifying top 5 scores. |
Maybe I'm doing something wrong on the calculations then...I get 71.92616% average when I average all of your team's top 5 photos and the standings page shows 71.9529%. My team's top 5 average is 94.3358%, but shows 92.9304% on the standings page. |
If you are just adding the scores/percentages and dividing by 5, you might be using a different formula. I am not sure, but the site could be taking the differing numbers of votes in various challenges into account. If one entry has 200 votes, and another from a different challenge has 150 votes, the one with 200 votes will have more weight in the average. Or they could be different in the placement percentages due to the number of entries.
Not sure the site is doing that, but it would explain the discrepancy.
Message edited by author 2010-05-26 13:56:19. |
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05/26/2010 02:00:35 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by jasonlprice:
Maybe I'm doing something wrong on the calculations then...I get 71.92616% average when I average all of your team's top 5 photos and the standings page shows 71.9529%. My team's top 5 average is 94.3358%, but shows 92.9304% on the standings page. |
I did some calculating last night, was sure there was an error, then realized that I was including two scores from one photographer. Only the top score from any single photographer counts for one week. Count up the top scores (as expressed as a percentile) that your top five shooters got during the week, and sadly, the posted scores will most likely be right.
Message edited by author 2010-05-26 14:01:55. |
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05/26/2010 02:26:45 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
I did some calculating last night, was sure there was an error, then realized that I was including two scores from one photographer. Only the top score from any single photographer counts for one week. Count up the top scores (as expressed as a percentile) that your top five shooters got during the week, and sadly, the posted scores will most likely be right. |
I'm using the numbers from the "Team Profile Page" which show each round of season 2 and the scores that counted. I copied and pasted those numbers into excel and did an average on them (and they don't match the numbers on the standings page). David is right that I'm doing an "average of an average" and DPC is doing the averaging on actual entries so there could be a slight discrepency there...but I wouldn't think it would be that much different. It doesn't really matter as I don't think it will effect the final placement, but it has the potential to and I'm just curious what numbers are being used.
The real problem is great teams with high averages are going to be left out of the playoffs no matter what % is used. I would just like to see some of those teams added to the playoffs (with a wildcard system or whatever).
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05/26/2010 02:30:26 PM · #20 |
| so the two exclusive challenges dont count? |
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05/26/2010 02:42:10 PM · #21 |
I just calculated all of my teams scores for the season and the league standings page is definately not using that for the overall team average. It must be calculating challenges currently in voting or something. (Although I'm not sure how it would determine top 5 for a week that hasn't finished voting).
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05/26/2010 02:47:55 PM · #22 |
I just found an error in my spreadsheet so our % is much closer than I originally thought (Top 5 Vs Overall Standings) which could easily be explained by "averaging averages" as  scarbrd said. |
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05/26/2010 04:38:06 PM · #23 |
Does Division A play Division B within each conference (i.e., Div A North -vs- Div B North and Div A South -vs- Div B South) and then go on to play within our League (North Winner -vs- South Winner) for a championship? So two winners a Global League Champion and a World League Champion?
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Does Division A play each other within the League (i.e., Division A North -vs- Division A South) and then play Division A against Global and World (Global Division A Winner -vs- World Division A Winner)? So there will be a Division A Champion and a Division B Champion? |
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06/02/2010 10:06:46 AM · #24 |
There are lots of great teams in DPL2. In some divisions, win/loss records indicate ties. I'm sure there is a tie-breaker. And, that's okay. This post is a quiet, courteous request to consider the inclusion of all teams with one loss, or less, in the playoffs. Certainly, the flexibility to incorporate wild-card teams in the playoff would be possible.... and appreciated.
Message edited by author 2010-06-02 10:12:12. |
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06/02/2010 12:22:55 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by hahn23:
There are lots of great teams in DPL2. In some divisions, win/loss records indicate ties. I'm sure there is a tie-breaker. And, that's okay. This post is a quiet, courteous request to consider the inclusion of all teams with one loss, or less, in the playoffs. Certainly, the flexibility to incorporate wild-card teams in the playoff would be possible.... and appreciated. |
If this proposal were implemented, then there would be eight (8) teams from both A and B advancing to the playoffs. Seems like it would be in the best interest of DPC to expand the playoffs a bit. |
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