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12/17/2010 10:56:00 AM · #76 |
| Others of us are just less reptilian... ;P |
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12/17/2010 02:34:51 PM · #77 |
wow, check out my scores. have I corrupted the dpc voters this much??
From the Ground Up VI
Votes: 82
Views: 179
Avg Vote: 5.7561
Comments: 4
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 12/17/10 02:27 pm
John Lennon Song or Lyrics
Votes: 101
Views: 195
Avg Vote: 5.7426
Comments: 4
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 12/17/10 02:27 pm
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12/17/2010 02:43:21 PM · #78 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
wow, check out my scores. have I corrupted the dpc voters this much??
From the Ground Up VI
Votes: 82
Views: 179
Avg Vote: 5.7561
Comments: 4
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 12/17/10 02:27 pm
John Lennon Song or Lyrics
Votes: 101
Views: 195
Avg Vote: 5.7426
Comments: 4
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 12/17/10 02:27 pm |
:), look how close we are....
From the Ground Up VI
Votes: 87
Views: 304
Avg Vote: 5.8276
Comments: 11
John Lennon Song or Lyrics
Votes: 109
Views: 229
Avg Vote: 5.7798
Comments: 6 |
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12/17/2010 02:50:15 PM · #79 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
wow, check out my scores. have I corrupted the dpc voters this much??
From the Ground Up VI
Votes: 82
Views: 179
Avg Vote: 5.7561
Comments: 4
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 12/17/10 02:27 pm
John Lennon Song or Lyrics
Votes: 101
Views: 195
Avg Vote: 5.7426
Comments: 4
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 12/17/10 02:27 pm |
you cant really blame the voters,can you? |
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12/17/2010 03:40:28 PM · #80 |
Originally posted by cutout:
you cant really blame the voters,can you? |
that depends on what the crime is... |
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12/17/2010 03:50:16 PM · #81 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by cutout:
you cant really blame the voters,can you? |
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hat depends on what the crime is... |
no crime yet
but if you reach the 6, then the rumors that you really get excited by drops and glasses
will ask for a serious debate |
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12/17/2010 04:21:49 PM · #82 |
Originally posted by cutout:
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by cutout:
you cant really blame the voters,can you? |
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hat depends on what the crime is... |
no crime yet
but if you reach the 6, then the rumors that you really get excited by drops and glasses
will ask for a serious debate |
I'm excited by dropping glasses |
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12/17/2010 04:26:34 PM · #83 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by cutout:
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by cutout:
you cant really blame the voters,can you? |
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hat depends on what the crime is... |
no crime yet
but if you reach the 6, then the rumors that you really get excited by drops and glasses
will ask for a serious debate |
I'm excited by dropping glasses |
dont drop more than i do |
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12/17/2010 05:22:33 PM · #84 |
Wow. I love seeing the history of past controversy rear it's ugly head. But, mainly I was just curious about whether judging photos by gut instinct or technical detail is more the standard. As I should have figured it's a fifty/fifty deal. . .and a circus of opinions as well (LOL).
Personally, I think each person's vote is a personal matter. I just feel guilty at times hammering a technically superior shot due to lack of connectivity, or on the same hand, judging an emotionally superior work poorly due to bad tecnique. Curious which way the site tends to run on these things.
My avg vote is little below average, but I am a bit tainted by the awesome work turned in here over the years. . .so unless you are splendid in one of the big four. Technique, Emotional Power, Cleverness of concept or Humor, I am not likely to throw anything over a 6. Keep in mind, none of my shots have scored over a 5.3 and very deservedly so.
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12/17/2010 09:12:36 PM · #85 |
Originally posted by crowis:
Wow. I love seeing the history of past controversy rear it's ugly head. But, mainly I was just curious about whether judging photos by gut instinct or technical detail is more the standard. As I should have figured it's a fifty/fifty deal. . .and a circus of opinions as well (LOL).
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it's not fifty/fifty. the front page will show you who has won this deal. |
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12/17/2010 09:41:39 PM · #86 |
Can't we just have a single monster thread about this subject. Seriously, it comes up every single week.
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12/17/2010 10:14:36 PM · #87 |
Originally posted by alohadave:
Can't we just have a single monster thread about this subject. Seriously, it comes up every single week. |
Not until people are willing to follow Forum Rule #3 ... |
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12/18/2010 12:07:42 AM · #88 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by zeuszen:
...And I believe, if we paid more attention to the work than to doling out wanton votes based on challenge descriptions addressing the entering participants, we'd all be better off for it. |
I truly am intrigued by this viewpoint. Are you suggesting that we get rid of descriptions and run Free Study challenges only?
Ray |
He's saying the descriptions are for the photographer's benefit not the voter's. |
Really? I guess my grasp of the english language is not what it should be since I read this to mean that we (the voters) ought to focus primary on the artwork displayed, regardless of the topic of the challenge.
Ray |
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12/18/2010 12:13:27 AM · #89 |
Originally posted by tnun:
Originally posted by coryboehne:
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Seriously though, I'm not working myself into the position, it's just happening naturally, and I always do try to understand the connection, but if after trying very hard, I still come up with nothing, I'm pretty darn sure they either didn't bother with trying to meet the challenge (shoehorn), or that they just did a piss poor job of it, as I should have been able to make the connection.. Yeah, I know that might make me seem a little arrogant, and perhaps, in my voting, I am a bit, but it's really more about being fair, sure they might pay a price, but I'm not going to detract from the effort it takes to really shoot for a topic, there's a significant challenge in trying to really meet a topic well, and it's something I reward.
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Arrogant and fair are not quite the words. |
You really ought to be more specific... there are so many others to choose from! :O) |
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12/18/2010 12:50:01 AM · #90 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by alohadave:
Can't we just have a single monster thread about this subject. Seriously, it comes up every single week. |
Not until people are willing to follow Forum Rule #3 ... |
Meh.. They never START as this thread, they just morph into it, kinda like an Agent Smith or something... :) |
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12/18/2010 08:09:27 AM · #91 |
Not sure I totally agree that once can sway from Gut Instinct to Technical. They are just not the right aspects to compare.
Much of what is perceived in the technical domain exists so that our "gut instinct" is satisfied. The "rule of thirds" isn't a rule because someone said "I declare it has to be..." but rather the natural placement that appeases the "gut instinct" declares it so (in most cultures at least).
There are many challenges that are designed here to specifically follow, or not follow a technical aspect. For those that do not (missed focused for example) the technical aspect that a photo needs to be in focus is taken away from the "gut instinct" leaving other sensory-technical pairs to become more important: "how does this make me feel", "what do I see in this photo".
So, in summary, I see the technical aspects as the path that led to the end result. To judge a photo in any part based on the technical aspects (unless the challenge requires so) can take away from what the photographer's is trying to portray.
A comparison such as "Gut Instinct" versus "A Thorough Look" is more appropriate. Taking the time to not only see the photo, but see INTO the photo (see what the photographer is really trying to say) should be the goal of voting.
I will admit, I am one to vote quickly, but very often I go back and contemplate. |
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12/18/2010 09:13:03 AM · #92 |
The technicals are there for a reason. They are a guide to making a better image. All else being equal, better technicals can result in a better picture.
Notice that I said "guide" and "can".
There are times when breaking "rules" can have even more impact.
An image is more than just the sum of it's parts. If an image is technically perfect, but has no soul, then it is no more than a song from a scroll on an old player piano. Yes you can here the melody, and the keys are in perfect order and tme, but it has no soul, and is much less preferrable than a live performance by the artist.
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12/18/2010 11:00:37 AM · #93 |
Originally posted by PGerst:
Not sure I totally agree that once can sway from Gut Instinct to Technical. They are just not the right aspects to compare.
Much of what is perceived in the technical domain exists so that our "gut instinct" is satisfied. |
Thank you!!! Amen. You'll be amazed how many times you can say this without anybody hearing it. |
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12/18/2010 11:25:42 AM · #94 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by PGerst:
Not sure I totally agree that once can sway from Gut Instinct to Technical. They are just not the right aspects to compare.
Much of what is perceived in the technical domain exists so that our "gut instinct" is satisfied. |
Thank you!!! Amen. You'll be amazed how many times you can say this without anybody hearing it. |
Then again, one could counter that some of the images are truly devoid of the technical aspects you are alluding to, with the ensuing results being that we are left with nothing but our gut reaction to the images proffered, which in many instances is..........bleh.
We see what we see and react in accordance with our preferences, nothing more...nothing less.
Ray |
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12/18/2010 01:28:05 PM · #95 |
What seems to be the case here is that we have voters who vote on technicals.
Others vote on gut instinct (whatever that is). Others vote on the art aspect.
Others vote on how it moves them. Others vote on the message, if any.
Some vote on frames or borders. Some are influenced by B&W where others are
influenced by colour. There are those that vote because they think the
image was done by someone they know.
Al this makes for what DPC is today and the reason we are all here. You can't
hope that we all end up voting similarly because that would be the end of DPC
as we know it. Variety is why this site is so well received by whoever happens
to surf here whether amateur, serious amateur, semi-pro or pro.
That's what DPC is. |
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