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02/17/2011 01:58:41 PM · #1

Where did all the chivalry go? I enjoy respectful men.

02/17/2011 02:04:20 PM · #2

I want to hear the male's opinion, too.

kichu

Canon EOS-1000D Rebel XS

02/17/2011 02:05:47 PM · #3

any particular examples?

02/17/2011 02:08:19 PM · #4

Grog very respectful. Grog respect old ways and still practice traditional customs. Like drag females by hair to cave. If female live, then Grog know female can bear strong younglings. If female die from rocks, then female not worthy of bearing Grog's younglings. Grog go back and pick better female.

02/17/2011 02:09:21 PM · #5

Originally posted by kichu:

any particular examples?

Chivalry..
My example would be dating a girl because you want to get to know her..NOT because you just want sex. So many guys are just out there for sex. That's all it's about to them. Chivalry..
Respecting a woman. Do you see what I mean? So many guys lack that trait.

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 55-200mm f/4-5.6G IF-ED VR

02/17/2011 02:10:54 PM · #6

Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:

Haha. That's kind of an example of chivalry. Men nowadays are just after sex and it annoys the crap out of me.

kichu

Canon EOS-1000D Rebel XS

02/17/2011 02:12:58 PM · #7

Originally posted by KenzieKupcake:

Originally posted by kichu:
any particular examples?

Chivalry..
My example would be dating a girl because you want to get to know her..NOT because you just want sex. So many guys are just out there for sex. That's all it's about to them. Chivalry..
Respecting a woman. Do you see what I mean? So many guys lack that trait.

Hmm..I'm not sure I agree that just wanting sex counts as not being chivalrous or being disrespectful. That's just human nature, and women are just as capable of it. We're animals. We have sex. It's kinda normal.

BUT, I do get your frustration if you're looking for a meaningful relationship and not finding that.

Message edited by author 2011-02-17 15:36:08.

Luci11e

Nikon D40

02/17/2011 02:14:25 PM · #8

Like that commercial where they are on a date and she's thinking, "I wonder if he's the one." and he's thinking, "I wanna sleep with her, I wanna sleep with her, I wanna sleep with her." LOL

02/17/2011 02:14:40 PM · #9

Grog think Kenzi female hang out with enemy tribe. Very ungood. Enemy tribe steal best females, make them sleep outside cave, and shoot Nikon.

02/17/2011 02:16:34 PM · #10

Originally posted by kichu:

Originally posted by KenzieKupcake:

Originally posted by kichu:
any particular examples?

Chivalry..
My example would be dating a girl because you want to get to know her..NOT because you just want sex. So many guys are just out there for sex. That's all it's about to them. Chivalry..
Respecting a woman. Do you see what I mean? So many guys lack that trait.

Hmm..I'm not sure I agree that just wanting sex counts as not being chivalrous or being disrespectful. That's just human nature, and women are just as capable of it. We're animals. We f*ck. It's kinda normal.

BUT, I do get your frustration if you're looking for a meaningful relationship and not finding that.

I do understand that it's natural for men, as well as women. But, yes..A meaningful relationship. That would be nice.

I was also getting to the point of how men treat women today. It's not the olden days anymore..You can't just hit a woman and get away with it. THAT is my main problem..

Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM

02/17/2011 02:17:02 PM · #11

Originally posted by Luci11e:

Like that commercial where they are on a date and she's thinking, "I wonder if he's the one." and he's thinking, "I wanna sleep with her, I wanna sleep with her, I wanna sleep with her." LOL

EXACTLY!

Cory

Canon EOS-1D Mark IV

02/17/2011 02:17:18 PM · #12

Chivalry is not dead, it's simply antiquated..

BTW, we are still around, it's just that some girl usually has us off the market.

Now, to be fair, often I hear this complaint from women who have significant flaws of their own, which are likely limiting the availability of "good" men... just my thoughts, nothing proven nor do I have any evidence ready to support my conclusions.

As another aside, I find that some women find it insulting when I open doors for them, as if I'm saying that they are incapable, so there's always a fine line to walk when being "chivalrous" in today's world. Largely I find that a serious split occurs somewhere around the age of about 35, with women who are older enjoying the chivalry, and the younger women being at best suspicious of it, and at worst insulted by it.

Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM

02/17/2011 02:18:48 PM · #13

Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:

Grog think Kenzi female hang out with enemy tribe. Very ungood. Enemy tribe steal best females, make them sleep outside cave, and shoot Nikon.

Not really that..It's the fact that every relationship I've been in has ended terribly. Guys don't know how to treat women anymore.

Cory

Canon EOS-1D Mark IV

02/17/2011 02:19:12 PM · #14

Originally posted by KenzieKupcake:

I was also getting to the point of how men treat women today. It's not the olden days anymore..You can't just hit a woman and get away with it. THAT is my main problem..

o_0 ... Sooooo, you're advocating for the old days when men could beat their wives? Somehow I don't think that came out quite right.

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 55-200mm f/4-5.6G IF-ED VR

02/17/2011 02:19:21 PM · #15

Originally posted by KenzieKupcake:

You can't just hit a woman and get away with it. THAT is my main problem..

Grog say modern males not have manners. Is not good to hit female with hand. That what club is for. Does not hurt hand that way.

kichu

Canon EOS-1000D Rebel XS

02/17/2011 02:19:48 PM · #16

Originally posted by KenzieKupcake:

I was also getting to the point of how men treat women today. It's not the olden days anymore..You can't just hit a woman and get away with it. THAT is my main problem..

That's not even chivalry that you're talking about now. That's basic human decency.

I hope this isn't you or someone you know that you're talking about. :(

Luci11e

Nikon D40

02/17/2011 02:32:47 PM · #17

You gotta admit that alot of the way today's younger men treat younger women is brought on by the women.
What are those guys supposed to think when girls go around calling each other bitchs, hos, and sluts? I know this dates me but I think it's horrible. Of course guys are gonna treat women badly when they don't show respect for each other.

And reality TV doesn't help matters either.

02/17/2011 02:34:19 PM · #18

Originally posted by coryboehne:

I see your point, but there are younger women in this world that enjoy chivalry..AKA me. I wish all guys had chivalry, not just the some that do.

02/17/2011 02:36:21 PM · #19

Originally posted by coryboehne:

Originally posted by KenzieKupcake:

I was also getting to the point of how men treat women today. It's not the olden days anymore..You can't just hit a woman and get away with it. THAT is my main problem..

o_0 ... Sooooo, you're advocating for the old days when men could beat their wives? Somehow I don't think that came out quite right.

You're partially right. But in the old days, men though it was right to keep "their" woman in place. They treated them like dogs..she does something wrong or something you don't like, hit her.

Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM

02/17/2011 02:37:06 PM · #20

Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:

Originally posted by KenzieKupcake:
You can't just hit a woman and get away with it. THAT is my main problem..

Grog say modern males not have manners. Is not good to hit female with hand. That what club is for. Does not hurt hand that way.

Kenzie say men suck and should not hit women, period.

Cory

Canon EOS-1D Mark IV

02/17/2011 02:37:11 PM · #21

Not to mention the simple fact that chivalry is based upon the premise that men and women are not equal, in fact the general concept behind it is that women are inferior and need men to help them.

In my opinion, we are indeed different, but not in a superior/inferior way, more like the way milk and cookies are different, both are good and nice on their own, but when combined, they become a complete unit that functions in a more useful / more fulfilling / better way than either does alone.

02/17/2011 02:37:59 PM · #22

Originally posted by kichu:

Originally posted by KenzieKupcake:

I was also getting to the point of how men treat women today. It's not the olden days anymore..You can't just hit a woman and get away with it. THAT is my main problem..

That's not even chivalry that you're talking about now. That's basic human decency.

I hope this isn't you or someone you know that you're talking about. :(

"I hope this isn't you or someone you know that you're talking about. :("

Um..I'm making no comment to that.

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

02/17/2011 02:38:36 PM · #23

Originally posted by Luci11e:

I agree.

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

02/17/2011 02:42:34 PM · #24

Originally posted by KenzieKupcake:

Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Grog think Kenzi female hang out with enemy tribe. Very ungood. Enemy tribe steal best females, make them sleep outside cave, and shoot Nikon.

Not really that..It's the fact that every relationship I've been in has ended terribly. Guys don't know how to treat women anymore.

"Guys" never have ... remember it's less than a couple of centuries ago when women were considered chattel, couldn't vote or own property, etc.

And, women have changed too ... back in the early 1970's as the "Women's Liberation Movement" was catching steam in the wake the the Civil Rights changes, and women were demanding "equal treatment" from men, Herb Caen (famous San Francisco columnist) ran a piece which featured the following exchange:

A man held open a store door for a woman,

to which she snapped at him "You don't have to hold the door for me just because I'm a lady!"



To this he replied "I didn't -- I held it because I'm a gentleman."

Actually, in the Bay Area you'll find a lot of kind, considerate, caring guys ... but most of them already have boyfriends ... :-)

Message edited by author 2011-02-17 14:43:23.