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04/08/2011 02:25:33 PM · #101 |
Originally posted by Jutilda:
...This is such a subjective challenge that I am curious to see how others interpret its meaning. |
I'm disappointed that you didn't enter this challenge as I would have loved to see something of your style. I echo your sentiment in this post though. I'm finished voting now. I'm probably not as strong a critic as you (I had four 10's).
Stats: You have rated 162 of 166 images (98%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 2 images (1%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 6.1296.
Message edited by author 2011-04-08 14:26:05. |
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04/08/2011 02:36:42 PM · #102 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by LevT:
Originally posted by yanko:
The decorative should take a back seat every week. We're not IKEA. Being moved to thought should be the rule every week. |
...or just being moved. sometimes a piece of art affects us not through the mind but through the soul. I would be hard-pressed to formulate which thoughts Cezanne's peaches move me to, but I hope you agree they are reasonably fine art. |
Of course. Your shortcomings doesn't change whether it's art or not. :) |
I don't view it as a shortcoming. Of course I can force myself to think about all kinds of things in regard to a work of art. But I am not an art critic, I don't have to. I can enjoy art at a pure visceral level, too. |
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04/08/2011 02:44:17 PM · #103 |
I guess Fine arts isn't my kind of thing.
Votes: 57
Views: 95
Avg Vote:4.7719
A well, it's better as part 1, so I hope to score well in part 10 :) |
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04/08/2011 03:26:59 PM · #104 |
I'm sinking too, in good shape for a personal worst!
Votes: 63
Views: 154
Avg Vote: 5.5714
I usually can tell whether my entry is going to do well or not, but I failed on this one it seems. |
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04/08/2011 03:27:28 PM · #105 |
Not sure if this is good or bad? :(
Votes: 61
Views: 123
Avg Vote: 5.8525
Comments: 3
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04/08/2011 03:32:57 PM · #106 |
Originally posted by gyaban:
I'm sinking too, in good shape for a personal worst! |
It's an interesting difference in perspective (and level of skill) that your PW is within my "happy with it" zone.
Message edited by author 2011-04-08 15:33:36.
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04/08/2011 03:42:01 PM · #107 |
Originally posted by marnet:
Originally posted by onepurplerose:
Originally posted by marnet:
Interesting that so many people have "hanging on the wall" as their top criterion. I wouldn't hang any of my top 10 on the wall but I would love to see them in a nicely printed DPC Fine Art book. |
Because a lot of people associate hanging fine art...and yes you are correct that a book is also a nice way to display art. |
The difference is that if it is hanging on the wall I can see it all the time. With the book I can look at it when I feel like it. |
As a general commentary, I agree with this. Some other folks mentioned that art should provoke, and I think that's a big part of where this comes in. The offensive provokes, but is not necessarily something we want to see on the way to the kitchen. I have to admit, these challenges are by far the most interesting to look at. They push the viewer, as well as those who submit. For this, I am most grateful. |
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04/08/2011 03:49:55 PM · #108 |
Defining fine art as something you would hang on your wall is a little bit too broad for me. I hang pictures of pears and avocados on my kitchen wall because they seem to look nice in my kitchen and go with the colors of my kitchen. I hang pictures of my kids on the wall in my living room because I love them and I want to see their cute faces when I walk by. But I would not define either of these as fine art. I have a beautiful moving landscape in my front room and a abstract looking tree in my bedroom, these I do consider more in the category of fine art. I have also seen images on 1x that I think qualify as fine art but I would never personally hang it in my home, but I can see them hung in an art gallery somewhere.
I guess what I am trying to say is defining fine art as something you would hang on your wall is both too broad of a definition and too limiting of a definition at the same time.
My definition of fine art is simply something that makes me think, something that just takes me beyond reality a bit, and in some cases I might even want to hang it on my wall (but not always):) and yes could even be a pear or an avocado if done right.
Message edited by author 2011-04-08 15:51:03. |
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04/08/2011 03:50:42 PM · #109 |
Originally posted by LevT:
Originally posted by yanko:
The decorative should take a back seat every week. We're not IKEA. Being moved to thought should be the rule every week. |
...or just being moved. sometimes a piece of art affects us not through the mind but through the soul. I would be hard-pressed to formulate which thoughts Cezanne's peaches move me to, but I hope you agree they are reasonably fine art. |
Moving Pictures are great! |
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04/08/2011 04:18:45 PM · #110 |
Originally posted by gyaban:
I'm sinking too, in good shape for a personal worst!
Votes: 63
Views: 154
Avg Vote: 5.5714
I usually can tell whether my entry is going to do well or not, but I failed on this one it seems. |
WOW! My score is better than yours at the moment :)
Votes: 57
Views: 119
Avg Vote: 5.6316
But let's not forget about the jury. The popular vote is not the only vote in this challenge.
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04/08/2011 04:44:33 PM · #111 |
Votes: 62
Views: 131
Avg Vote: 5.5323
Comments: 1
Down down down I go. I was happy with the 5.7...5.5 not so much |
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04/08/2011 05:04:38 PM · #112 |
Originally posted by gyaban:
I'm sinking too, in good shape for a personal worst!
Votes: 63
Views: 154
Avg Vote: 5.5714
I usually can tell whether my entry is going to do well or not, but I failed on this one it seems. |
This could turn into a "Who is beating Gyaban" challenge. lol
(To be taken as a compliment Gyaban - as your work is amazing)
Votes: 60
Views: 112
Avg Vote: 5.8833
Comments: 3
Message edited by author 2011-04-08 17:12:37. |
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04/08/2011 05:25:26 PM · #113 |
Originally posted by RamblinR:
This could turn into a "Who is beating Gyaban" challenge. lol
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I don't mind other entries beating mine at all :-) Especially when I know that my own entry isn't so good, and that I can analyze why, and progress from there.
But in this case, I was convinced my entry was pretty strong, which leaves me doubtful and full of questions. We'll see, maybe some comments will give me some hints why it is not as good as I thought. |
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04/08/2011 05:38:17 PM · #114 |
Votes: 67
Views: 133
Avg Vote: 5.7612
Comments: 4
Favorites: 1
Another couple great comments and a fave to go with it! The score be damned! |
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04/08/2011 05:42:15 PM · #115 |
I secretly enjoyed this thread especially since the comments bring so much more than the lament over a few points up or down a ladder we do not completely comprehend or agree upon (blaming on occasion some trolls who are obviously not PLO = people like us).
It seems to me very productive to evaluate the entire challenge results before getting stomped on our performance.
Such as this thread:
- what is the difference between a fine art and a free study challenge (some clear opposition is in any challenge between the clean/crisp/sharp/technically minded/subject less important images and the blurry/bit confusing/sophisticated/impulsive/sometimes formulaic photos - with a strong group sandwiched between of the studio people who make their own "tableaux vivants" and stage the world to make a point and show how things shall be considered in a mature, professional world). As if we apply here also the puerile scorn that was prevalent in my school days between the school of Architecture and the Fine Arts, or, even worse, between architect and engineers (thank God I have one or two of each in my family in a lovely unity).
It's as if we label ourselves one way, find a formula and then clone ourselves forever.
- what is the purpose of art and in our case, photography
I took it for granted that if we participate here at DPC is to get beyond decorative art as  yanko so well pointed out (The decorative should take a back seat every week. We're not IKEA.) or
 sjhuls
My definition of fine art is simply something that makes me think, something that just takes me beyond reality a bit, and in some cases I might even want to hang it on my wall (but not always):)
Not having a gallery where to exhibit shall give us enormous freedom in all directions: technical, studio, using or not models, candid, new approaches of boring subjects, combination of techniques, flights of imagination ....
If we just want to be recognized for one aspect, let's have special challenges and just chase the 10 score.
Let's not stumble upon one formula. And if we don't get the scores we think we deserve (???) perhaps a few comments will make up for it.
I occasionally read the comment: "spooky image" - well heck, do we just learn to shoot flowers in full blossom?
 spiritualspatula: Some other folks mentioned that art should provoke, and I think that's a big part of where this comes in. The offensive provokes, but is not necessarily something we want to see on the way to the kitchen. I have to admit, these challenges are by far the most interesting to look at. They push the viewer, as well as those who submit. For this, I am most grateful.
ABSOLUTELY!
LevT: Of course I can force myself to think about all kinds of things in regard to a work of art. But I am not an art critic, I don't have to. I can enjoy art at a pure visceral level, too.
That's it. But enjoy does not mean only pretty pictures in pink.
Let's reread:
jutilda Wikipedia quotation:
The more recent sense of the word art is as an abbreviation for creative art or fine art. Fine art means that a skill is being used to express the artist's creativity, or to engage the audience's aesthetic sensibilities, or to draw the audience towards consideration of the finer things. Often, if the skill is being used in a common or practical way, people will consider it a craft instead of art. Likewise, if the skill is being used in a commercial or industrial way, it will be considered commercial art instead of fine art. On the other hand, crafts and design are sometimes considered applied art. Some art followers have argued that the difference between fine art and applied art has more to do with value judgments made about the art than any clear definitional difference.[10] However, even fine art often has goals beyond pure creativity and self-expression. The purpose of works of art may be to communicate ideas, such as in politically, spiritually, or philosophically motivated art; to create a sense of beauty (see aesthetics); to explore the nature of perception; for pleasure; or to generate strong emotions. The purpose may also be seemingly nonexistent.
 BrennanOB
I have viewed a few great art museum shows that were designed not to please, but to disturb, to force uncomfortable truths into my mind, to challenge assumptions. Nothing in those shows were art I would hang on my wall, but they were better and more important shows than any collection of pretty images that I would hang on my
wall.
[user]nsjabs[/user]
Fine art is different to me. Fine art is something where I get an emotional response from the image. Something that moves me, and if I were to see hanging on a wall, I would take a double take and study the image for more than just a split second. It is an image that would draw me in and let me stay for awhile, either in a disturbing way, angry, serene, calm, disruptive etc. etc..
marnet:
The way I approached selection of Top 10 was:
does this image go beyond a good photograph? does it move me, or impress me, or make me think?
No single criterion made it possible for me to have a rather eclectic collection of Top 10 images.
Last but not least:
ubique
Congratulations to all who risked doing something outside their comfort zone. Thank you. |
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04/08/2011 06:12:26 PM · #116 |
Originally posted by gyaban:
Originally posted by RamblinR:
This could turn into a "Who is beating Gyaban" challenge. lol
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I don't mind other entries beating mine at all :-) Especially when I know that my own entry isn't so good, and that I can analyze why, and progress from there.
But in this case, I was convinced my entry was pretty strong, which leaves me doubtful and full of questions. We'll see, maybe some comments will give me some hints why it is not as good as I thought. |
Gyaban I gave a shot at explaining what I thought on the image I was pretty sure was yours.
In case you didn't get a comment from me...tell me! so I can delete the comment. Lol, I am pretty sure some unsuspecting person wouldn't appreciate the comment I left with all the reasons I thought it might not be scoring well, lol :-P
Message edited by author 2011-04-08 18:21:00. |
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04/08/2011 06:20:58 PM · #117 |
Originally posted by marnet:
The way I approached selection of Top 10 was:
does this image go beyond a good photograph? does it move me, or impress me, or make me think?
No single criterion made it possible for me to have a rather eclectic collection of Top 10 images. |
Why do you pick a "Top 10" -- Why don't you simply rate each photograph on whatever criteria you like and let the chips falls where they may. a "10" does not equate to first place on this site, nor a "9" to second, etc. |
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04/08/2011 06:24:40 PM · #118 |
Originally posted by Fiora:
Gyaban I gave a shot at explaining what I thought on the image I was pretty sure was yours.
In case you didn't get a comment from me...tell me! so I can delete the comment. Lol, I am pretty sure some unsuspecting person wouldn't appreciate the comment I left with all the reasons I thought it might not be scoring well, lol :-P |
Got it, thanks a lot! It is much appreciated. |
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04/08/2011 06:25:26 PM · #119 |
I may even manage to squeeze a 6 out of this if I'm lucky.
Votes: 63
Views: 117
Avg Vote: 5.9841
Comments: 4 |
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04/08/2011 06:29:57 PM · #120 |
Originally posted by klkitchens:
Originally posted by marnet:
The way I approached selection of Top 10 was:
does this image go beyond a good photograph? does it move me, or impress me, or make me think?
No single criterion made it possible for me to have a rather eclectic collection of Top 10 images. |
Why do you pick a "Top 10" -- Why don't you simply rate each photograph on whatever criteria you like and let the chips falls where they may. a "10" does not equate to first place on this site, nor a "9" to second, etc. |
I think you misunderstood. My Top 10 are 8-10 scores; assessed individually as presented to me randomly by the great DPC software. The Top 10 is the final output of my voting process. |
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04/08/2011 06:36:11 PM · #121 |
Just had to post this before it slides back down.
Votes: 65
Views: 119
Avg Vote: 6.0000
Comments: 4 |
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04/08/2011 06:41:42 PM · #122 |
Originally posted by yanko:
The decorative should take a back seat every week. We're not IKEA. Being moved to thought should be the rule every week. |
At the risk of the alien horde descending upon me, what exactly is the flip side of that IKEA coin?
Please enlighten me...:-) |
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04/08/2011 06:48:40 PM · #123 |
Originally posted by ubique:
I never have understood any distinction between 'art' and 'fine art' in respect of photographs, so my criterion was: 'Would I enjoy this on my wall?' And after that: 'For how long?' Thus for 6-7 I'd use a removable sticky hook; for 8+ I'd drill a hole. |
Just love this!!!! |
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04/08/2011 10:00:31 PM · #124 |
On my way to a PW, but I'm happy I tried this challenge. Oh and I'd hang it on a wall! (in the attic!!!)
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04/08/2011 10:25:49 PM · #125 |
Here's how I've voted so far
You have rated 46 of 166 images (28%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 8 images (5%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 5.8913.
The 8 images I commented on really struck me, from there it was mainly 6's and 5's... I think I only threw down maybe 6 4's at most.
What is Fine Art??? Hmmm... Well... I can tell you that its different for everyone, but for me, the photo should draw an emotion out of the viewer by breaking one or more of the major rules of photography. Some shots use blur to create that emotion, which goes against the golden rule of having everything sharp, others have a centered subject to convey emotion, some have used grain to convey the message, from here you get it... Now that doesn't mean you can just leave the shutter open and shake the camera for blur... You still have to grab the viewer, and force an emotion from them. Your photo should make them feel something inside, i.e. love, hate, energy, self worth, pain, relaxation, etc... A strong connection to your photo's title is also important here to draw the viewer in deeper and aid in this connection.
Either way, that's how I view FIne Art... its more than eye candy, and its more than the pretty landscape, water-drop, or shiny portrait, which is what really separates this from a Free Study. So far, reading through this thread, I respect everyone's view of it, and can't say that I've seen one opinion that made me say, "Hey... That's not Fine Art..."
By the way, where is Louis, he was awesome at commenting during the first Fine Arts challenge and he told me the flat out truth about my image(and rightfully so...) I love his brutally honest critique, and I'm hoping to get a comment from him (good or bad) during this challenge... |
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