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09/29/2011 08:22:05 AM · #26
Originally posted by spiritualspatula:


If you don't like being called unoriginal, let me kindly suggest never entering a shot here with a water drop or a wine glass. You'll have your heart torn out :)

On the plus side, you can rest that torn-out heart on your newly acquired ribbon.
09/29/2011 08:47:31 AM · #27
Originally posted by bvy:

...Also, one of the prices you pay for a ribbon is a lot of visibility. If your idea is eerily similar to something that's been done before, expect to be called out on it. It's hard being on the front page. That's why I avoid it.


LOL, but you have a group of loyal followers on DPC who love your work and follow it with interest.., if that's any consolation :-) !
09/29/2011 08:48:47 AM · #28
Originally posted by missymoo:

I recently won a ribbon but had quite a few comments simply telling me that my photo was the same as others done before...


"Quite a few"??? There was TWO out of 32! That is not "Quite a few"... And so what? If your idea was original you wouldn't have gotten those comments... I guess you know what you need to do...
09/29/2011 08:51:02 AM · #29
I left a "done before" comment on an entry in a currently voting challenge. It's an awesome subject that almost always comes in near the top of any challenge it's entered it. I also tempered that comment by saying that I have been known to milk a good subject, myself. I gave it a positive vote, because a good photo deserves it, but it didn't get the very highest one. Frankly, the seen it before factor does make a difference. Most of my own highest rated shots are of the "seen it before" variety. I am always amazed when something I think is overdone and banal scores highly. Very few of my personal faves are in my top rated or ribbons.
09/29/2011 09:03:21 AM · #30
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

You have to understand that the majority of members here are incarcerated in prisons across the globe, doing many years of hard time. The site was created by an ex-con who wanted to give back by creating a place where convicted felons could vent their frustrations with daily prison life and lash out at society (note the drab gray colors to provide a sense of familiarity and security). Don't take it personally, they are just a product of a sick society. If it offends you, you should stick with those friendlier sites. This is no place for a nice girl like you.


This does not explain why the SC has skillfully avoid my challenge suggestions "Prison Rape: No laughing matter." and "Guard Tower spotlight lens flare"

but seriously. I am generally of the school of thought that you do not need to point out obvious glaring errors that everyone can see and the photographer knows were there. Its not "Helpful" to say "that guy is blurry" or "its a snapshot."

However, I feel that the goal of this site is not to coax and train every single contest entrant into being the best National Geographic Photographer, the best pro wedding photographer or award winning photojournalist.
The goal is the opposite-
and you should feel good about the fact that people feel your shot is technically good enough to concentrate on the creative aspect...

but know this...
as with all art forms, technique and skill are important,
but creativity and aesthetic spark can be faked but in my opinion much less successfully taught.
09/29/2011 09:04:42 AM · #31
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:

I am always amazed when something I think is overdone and banal scores highly.

I agree, and it makes me think there's more voter turnover here than some people think.
09/29/2011 09:33:36 AM · #32
At least it wasn't waterdrops and a flag...

sheesh.
09/29/2011 09:42:13 AM · #33
Originally posted by bohemka:

Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:

I am always amazed when something I think is overdone and banal scores highly.

I agree, and it makes me think there's more voter turnover here than some people think.

What does voter turnover mean?
09/29/2011 09:43:11 AM · #34
Originally posted by NiallOTuama:

What does voter turnover mean?

A regular influx of new voters who are easily impressed.
09/29/2011 10:31:51 AM · #35
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

.. the majority of members here are incarcerated in prisons...



THIS THREAD IS UNORIGINAL !
09/29/2011 10:33:57 AM · #36
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:

Originally posted by NiallOTuama:

What does voter turnover mean?

A regular influx of new voters who are easily impressed.

Danke. Should have figured that out, but the brain's a little tender this morning.
09/29/2011 10:46:30 AM · #37
"unhelpful comment" is an oxymoron... In the words of the Band, "Take what you need and leave the rest"
09/29/2011 12:18:06 PM · #38
that's ok, i give all wine glass shots a 1. i dont care if its the most beautiful wine glass shot anyone has ever seen.

if you get a "ugh, wine glass" comment , it scored a 1 from me.

i dont knock every unoriginal shot, heck the former blue in the lego challenge was a redo of a shot i saw on flickr and even contemplated doing. but I get sick of seeing the same rehash of the same subject over and over and over and over... at some point it gets old.

Message edited by author 2011-09-29 12:18:27.
09/29/2011 12:52:27 PM · #39
Why is this not in the Rant section? DNMC :-)
09/29/2011 12:57:46 PM · #40
Well, I've been a member of DP Challenge for a long time now (since March 2004)and the whole comment complaint thing has been going on ever since I joined.

It seeems like no matter what people do comment wise - it's the wrong thing with some people. First people complain they don't get enough comments. Then, when they do get comments they complain they aren't helpful - which usually means that the comment is critical in some way. Actually, the critical comments are the ones that can help the most if you will open your mind and listen to them. It seems like many people just want to hear sugar coated words about how lovely their photo is.

I've always thought DP Challenge was a place for people who took their photography seriously and wanted to know know how to make it better - not a place like Flickr where everyone tends to gush in comments. It's really wonderful to hear how beautiful your picture is but it is way more helpful to find out why it sucks! Also, one must realize that even though other people might think your photo sucks, if you like it, that's what counts.

I haven't entered a challenge in a long time due to life circumstances but hope to start again soon. Voting is something I look forward to and love to do - I personally don't leave as many comments now because many people just get upset if you leave an honest oninion on their photo.

Another personal opinion - I think everyone should appreciate every comment they receive and not even think about whether it's helpful or not. I'd like to see that check box for helpful comment removed. Comments don't have to be helpful, they can just state what that person is thinking about your photo or even be a question about your photo. Just my opinion.

It seems that so many times that the people who complain that not enough people vote and not enough people comment vote very little themselves and don't comment much either.
09/29/2011 01:10:31 PM · #41
Oh snap! Sammie returns to lay the smack-down !
09/29/2011 01:12:04 PM · #42
Originally posted by PennyClick:

Originally posted by bvy:

...Also, one of the prices you pay for a ribbon is a lot of visibility. If your idea is eerily similar to something that's been done before, expect to be called out on it. It's hard being on the front page. That's why I avoid it.


LOL, but you have a group of loyal followers on DPC who love your work and follow it with interest.., if that's any consolation :-) !

Poor misled souls mistake me for an artist. I wouldn't trade them for any number of ribbons.
09/29/2011 01:24:19 PM · #43
I didn't see any rubbish comments on your blue ribbon. I saw two people provide links to similar photographs. If my photograph looked like somebody else's, I would want to know about it.
09/29/2011 01:27:01 PM · #44
Originally posted by bvy:

Originally posted by PennyClick:

Originally posted by bvy:

...Also, one of the prices you pay for a ribbon is a lot of visibility. If your idea is eerily similar to something that's been done before, expect to be called out on it. It's hard being on the front page. That's why I avoid it.


LOL, but you have a group of loyal followers on DPC who love your work and follow it with interest.., if that's any consolation :-) !

Poor misled souls mistake me for an artist. I wouldn't trade them for any number of ribbons.


Whew! I was getting worried for a minute: I thought you said/wrote "adult" not "artist."
09/29/2011 01:43:57 PM · #45
Originally posted by bvy:

Originally posted by PennyClick:

Originally posted by bvy:

...Also, one of the prices you pay for a ribbon is a lot of visibility. If your idea is eerily similar to something that's been done before, expect to be called out on it. It's hard being on the front page. That's why I avoid it.


LOL, but you have a group of loyal followers on DPC who love your work and follow it with interest.., if that's any consolation :-) !

Poor misled souls mistake me for an artist. I wouldn't trade them for any number of ribbons.

Careful, they will find you and ribbon you out of spite....
09/29/2011 03:23:21 PM · #46
Originally posted by missymoo:

Does anyone find that this site seems to attract people who give unhelpful comments on winning photos?


If your winning photo wasn't your own, I'm curious to know what comment you would have written that effectively meets a "helpful comment" criteria?

Please lead by example...;-)
09/29/2011 04:24:38 PM · #47
I dont understand when people say they dont leave comments becuase people dont like negative comments. i have left and I find my comments increasingly critical, yet no one has ever told me that my comment was off base or complained.
09/29/2011 04:51:54 PM · #48
Originally posted by mike_311:

I dont understand when people say they dont leave comments becuase people dont like negative comments. i have left and I find my comments increasingly critical, yet no one has ever told me that my comment was off base or complained.

But I have burned you in effigy in my mind. ...and in my backyard.
09/29/2011 06:20:29 PM · #49
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by mike_311:

I dont understand when people say they dont leave comments becuase people dont like negative comments. i have left and I find my comments increasingly critical, yet no one has ever told me that my comment was off base or complained.

But I have burned you in effigy in my mind. ...and in my backyard.

Ahhhh, thats why I could see the dark side of the moon.
09/29/2011 07:12:49 PM · #50
Originally posted by mike_311:

I dont understand when people say they dont leave comments becuase people dont like negative comments. i have left and I find my comments increasingly critical, yet no one has ever told me that my comment was off base or complained.

People would rather whine generically in a thread like this than take the time and responsibility to respond (whether in the comment thread or personally via PM) and try to explain their negative response.

People might remember that you can only learn from analyzing and correcting your "mistakes" -- you cannot progress by repeating what you already do well.

Certainly any reputable marketing research firm will pay as much if not more attention to negative comments than lauditory ones ... putting your picture up for evaluation by a worldwide audience is marketing research at its most fundamental level.

Message edited by author 2011-09-29 19:13:42.
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