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12/16/2011 08:23:51 PM · #1 |
Currently I have a D90 which I have barely had 2 years. I love it to death and get really good images with it, but then I see what  Magnumphotography is getting with full-frame. And have to admit to some full-frame jealousy (NOT Canon jealousy, let's get that out of the way right now! I am thinking that the soon-to-be-released Nikon D4 would be the way to go.
So if you shoot full-frame, what was the tipping point for you? At what stage did you realize 'OK, I'm gonna save up and invest in a full-frame camera - even though it's going to cost big $$, and memory cards are going to cost a helluvalot more, and I'm probably going to have to upgrade my computer to keep up with the much larger file sizes'? Did you go pro? Did you find yourself outshooting a cropped-sensor body?
Did you simply feel, in my case, that I'm getting close to outshooting the current camera and are not shooting to the capacity of what your gear can offer?
And while we're at it, anyone out there got a winning lottery ticket and feeling generous? ;-) |
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12/16/2011 08:41:24 PM · #2 |
| The biggest print I've made so far is 45" x 70". There is a market out there for bigger prints to place on big walls in big houses. I think that is a market worth shooting for. |
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12/16/2011 08:54:41 PM · #3 |
| I shoot a lot of stock and more pixels mean more $$. I'd still probably shoot a FF camera, since I love landscape photography. |
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12/16/2011 09:21:59 PM · #4 |
Commonly cited reasons:
- My lenses act like they are supposed to with regard to angle of view
- I capture as much of the detail available in the image circle as is possible with a rectangular sensor
- Pixels are larger, so better acuity, better S/N Ratio (noise performance)
- Control of DoF
- Bigger, brighter viewfinder
The top reasons that I personally prefer FF are, well, all of the above :-)
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12/16/2011 09:24:01 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
And while we're at it, anyone out there got a winning lottery ticket and feeling generous? ;-) |
I shoot FF but have not been able to get to FF digital :-) Why not pick up a great CHEAP FF film body that matches your lenses (I have no clue what lenses work with what bodies in Nikon land... seems to complex to me).
Seems it would be a cheap way to try out for yourself and see if it's worth the big hit in digital bodies for your style.... |
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12/16/2011 09:32:59 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by robs:
Originally posted by snaffles:
And while we're at it, anyone out there got a winning lottery ticket and feeling generous? ;-) |
I shoot FF but have not been able to get to FF digital :-) Why not pick up a great CHEAP FF film body that matches your lenses (I have no clue what lenses work with what bodies in Nikon land... seems to complex to me).
Seems it would be a cheap way to try out for yourself and see if it's worth the big hit in digital bodies for your style.... |
I have been considering picking up a used FF Nikon, but would want to make sure too that I'm not losing a lot in terms of image quality. The D90 is 12.3mp so wouldn't want to shoot with anything less than that. I think 3 of my 4 lenses would work on a FF...the 300 f.4 for sure, the 50mm f1.8 and maybe the 18-200mm f3.5-5.6. Sadly I would not be able to use Siggy, so would have to get another w/a...but then I won my blue with the D90/Siggy setup, so in snafflesland, that lens deserves its retirement :-)
Message edited by author 2011-12-16 21:34:01. |
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12/16/2011 09:39:10 PM · #7 |
Personally, If you're on the fence about going FF in the first place, it's a bit abrupt to jump to a D4, which is a MUCH different camera than the D90 you own, the least difference of which is the FX vs DX. If anything, I'd suggest the D800. FF also produces a different look entirely which may or may not be what you're looking for. robs suggestion to try out a film body isn't a bad idea. I got my F100 cheap and it's a great camera.
Also remember you don't really have the lenses to support the switch, so you'll have to budget that in too. You'll be fine on your 300 and your 50, and even though you could technically do crop photos with your 18-200 and 10-20, it's silly because you'll quickly see their optical limitations and it's a complete and utter waste of said FF sensor...
FWIW, I'm in the process of strongly considering a jump to FF myself. I'm interested in doing it for low light performance and depth of field, in particular. At a certain point you need to decide for yourself how much you're willing to invest in a hobby that doesn't pay you (regarding your "go pro" question). |
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12/17/2011 12:02:13 AM · #8 |
I don't think using a crop sensor is holding me back any. But then, I'm not trying to become a pro and I'm pleased with the results I'm getting. I don't own any L glass either.
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12/17/2011 12:21:00 AM · #9 |
| I hated multiplying by 1.6 |
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12/17/2011 12:33:29 AM · #10 |
If you have to ask, it's not time. Simple as that. When it's time, you'll know it.
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12/17/2011 02:55:42 AM · #11 |
I like shooting landscapes and always feel limited by my 20D. It seems like nothing I do gets the clarity and detail I see from the full frame sensors so I've been wanting one myself, but it's completely out of my budget right now. I like the idea of picking up a cheap film body to test one out though. Any recommendations on something that my 24-105 f/4L would work well on?
Also since I never really shot film before, would getting a picture cd when developed be sufficient quality to work with digitally or would I need something like a negative scanner to even be able to take advantage of the larger sensor once I get it in Photoshop? |
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12/17/2011 07:28:44 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by bmatt17:
Also since I never really shot film before, would getting a picture cd when developed be sufficient quality to work with digitally or would I need something like a negative scanner to even be able to take advantage of the larger sensor once I get it in Photoshop? |
I don't know what the resolution of photo-cd is, or whether it's better or worse than a home negative scanner. Don't forget one can selectively re-photograph the desired aera through a digital camera. Also, there's no pixels present when direct sampling from film source yourself, so there'll be no Moire-interference patterns.
Back in the old days it was medium format (6x6 cm) with Ektachrome 64 daylight colour transparency film. Format better known as "120 roll film" camera. For stunningly clear and sharp photos in sales brochures and glossy magazines it was ideal, preferred over a colour print. No grain at all with the lower speed films, must had been equivalent to 1000 MegaPixels!. (BTW I have actually seen a 1000 Mp camera!) Shooting reversal film, one had to get the exposure dead right, no tolerance for overexposure at all, so one would use up the whole roll of film with different EV and DOF variations. There was also "Kodachrome" reversal too aimed for the consumer market, slightly different process, the processing cost charged upfront with the film purchase price.
Something else that could be considered (static subjects only), is use monochrome film and shoot three frames each through R, G, B filters, then recombining the images in post production. ('Technicolor') Monochrome film can be processed at home easily and cheaply. |
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12/17/2011 07:47:08 AM · #13 |
i bought a 5d in june this year £700 second hand from camera shop with 12 month warranty, was shooting on a 20d for 8 years before that, and wow, the size and the shutter thud were the first thing i noticed my 20d is like 'click' 5D is like 'kathud' :) i like that, i love it takes such beatiful pictures and i can grab a lense and not have to start doing the math of yeah my 28-70 is actually 50-105 etc, with my 16-35 L landscapes are great, cant wait to go markii :)
i only shoot for fun and friends dont want to go pro or earn from it as think that'd would turn a passion into a chore, i used to have a eos 5 so the 5d feels like a logical progression, if anyone finds an eos 5 with giles bertenshaw written on the inside of the film door can i have it back please from the thieving barsteward grrr
Message edited by author 2011-12-19 15:03:40. |
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12/17/2011 11:58:54 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by Giles_uk:
i can grab a lense and not have to start doing the math of yeah my 28-70 is actually 50-105 etc, |
Why do you need to do this anyway? I just frame the image the way I want it. If I want more telephoto or a wider view, then I change lenses. No calculations needed.
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12/17/2011 12:01:24 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
...I don't own any L glass either. |
Me neither ;-) |
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12/17/2011 01:07:11 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Originally posted by Giles_uk:
i can grab a lense and not have to start doing the math of yeah my 28-70 is actually 50-105 etc, |
Why do you need to do this anyway? I just frame the image the way I want it. If I want more telephoto or a wider view, then I change lenses. No calculations needed. |
It's very minor in the scheme of things.... It took be a long while to not have to think about the change (I never did the maths but)...... I spent a very long time using 35 film..... and when moving to a crop digital I DID find myself standing closer then I should. Even today if I am distracted I will stand closer then the lense allows on a crop to the subject before I see thru the viewfinder and then it clicks again (I use primes a lot).
I guess in my head somewhere is this thing that thinks it know what the frame will look like... I have no clue but it's just there. I have not noticed it when I switch back to film....... one day I will get back to 35mm FF on digital... maybe I will win the damn lottery at some point :-/ |
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12/17/2011 08:51:45 PM · #17 |
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12/18/2011 12:25:44 AM · #18 |
| My husband "needed" something to buy me for Christmas ... I "wanted" this camera so bad ... now it is mine!!! I am loving it!! |
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12/18/2011 12:33:44 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by Katmystiry:
My husband "needed" something to buy me for Christmas ... I "wanted" this camera so bad ... now it is mine!!! I am loving it!! |
WOW! Good for you/him!
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12/18/2011 12:38:33 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Katmystiry:
My husband "needed" something to buy me for Christmas ... I "wanted" this camera so bad ... now it is mine!!! I am loving it!! |
WOW! Good for you/him!
R. |
Congrats on the new rig so you must sign up for Free Study :) |
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12/18/2011 12:41:12 AM · #21 |
Apeture_Ready .. I would but I just got it this week and need to practice with all the goodies first :) I will be entering more challenges now for sure!
Robert .. thank you!! I am just loving it .. can't even express how much!!
Originally posted by Aperture_Ready:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Katmystiry:
My husband "needed" something to buy me for Christmas ... I "wanted" this camera so bad ... now it is mine!!! I am loving it!! |
WOW! Good for you/him!
R. |
Congrats on the new rig so you must sign up for Free Study :) |
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12/18/2011 12:44:11 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by Katmystiry:
Apeture_Ready .. I would but I just got it this week and need to practice with all the goodies first :) I will be entering more challenges now for sure!
Robert .. thank you!! I am just loving it .. can't even express how much!!
Originally posted by Aperture_Ready:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Katmystiry:
My husband "needed" something to buy me for Christmas ... I "wanted" this camera so bad ... now it is mine!!! I am loving it!! |
WOW! Good for you/him!
R. |
Congrats on the new rig so you must sign up for Free Study :) |
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Thats why you still have 14 days too sign up ..(kidding)...have fun learning your new camera you should have a blast !! |
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