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10/26/2012 06:43:31 AM · #1
Just asking because it seems they don't.
What's the point of even having them if by blatantly ignoring them still gets you into the top ten?
10/26/2012 06:56:53 AM · #2
Because many viewers have broader definitions of what fits the challenge. My take on the challenge was that a mask constituted a pre-made object that is one piece that you can easily put on and take off. Something like this: (picked from a different challenge - one of my favorite mask shots :)



Gluing individual pieces of things to your face seemed kind of mask-like, so I took off a point or two, but it was different enough that I thought it still met the spirit of the challenge.

Message edited by author 2012-10-26 07:12:43.
10/26/2012 07:16:08 AM · #3
I'm not talking about Cory's entry.

And it happens in more than simply this challenge.
10/26/2012 08:30:45 AM · #4
It evens out. I am sure I got a bunch of DNMC votes for my trees shot, which included a telephone pole, which is made of wood, and is essentially a tree trunk.

I do agree there is a distinction between stretching the limits of a challenge, and just blatantly including something verboten.
10/26/2012 08:47:37 AM · #5
Yeah - I must say that I'm pretty annoyed with my score for the Distracting Images entry so far... not so much because of my image... but because so many others seemed to miss the brief entirely.

I suppose 'average' is the pertinent word.. as my submission for Princess Bride got a couple of 10's and a couple of 1's... neither of which was deserved...
10/26/2012 09:31:09 AM · #6
Originally posted by blindjustice:

I do agree there is a distinction between stretching the limits of a challenge, and just blatantly including something verboten.
I've stretched limits with my birds and keys entries for those challenges, but when there's a complete disregard and the voters don't care, what incentive is there to submit anything?
10/26/2012 09:44:40 AM · #7
Originally posted by Venser:

I'm not talking about Cory's entry.

And it happens in more than simply this challenge.


Darn... I was hoping you were. ;) lol
10/26/2012 12:49:10 PM · #8
Yes - DNMC images occasionally land in the top 10 or even win ribbons. You will get used to it happening and ignore it after you have been here a while. Just have fun and enjoy your hobby :)
10/26/2012 12:55:16 PM · #9
The longer I'm here, the harder it is to ignore. Maybe I'll get to the point where I'll not care, but right now it's really bugging me. I don't have a problem with stretching the limits for a particular theme, but it seems like there are soooo many entries that would've been entered no matter what the challenge was but may be titled differently to make it seem like they fit.
10/26/2012 01:00:48 PM · #10
Originally posted by lilysmom:

The longer I'm here, the harder it is to ignore. Maybe I'll get to the point where I'll not care, but right now it's really bugging me. I don't have a problem with stretching the limits for a particular theme, but it seems like there are soooo many entries that would've been entered no matter what the challenge was but may be titled differently to make it seem like they fit.


If thats how the image makes you feel vote accordingly.
10/26/2012 01:02:01 PM · #11
Originally posted by Venser:

Just asking because it seems they don't.
What's the point of even having them if by blatantly ignoring them still gets you into the top ten?


Where are these dnmc entries in the top 10? Cory's is the only one I see for the last four challenges.
10/26/2012 01:05:05 PM · #12
Originally posted by Venser:

Just asking because it seems they don't.

I've often found that when people don't see how a photo meets the challenge it is often a failure of their own vision, not the photographer's. It's difficult to say without seeing the specific examples which concern you, but I'm pretty sure that much of the time the connection to the challenge is really there, even if not obvious.

If you want, PM me a couple of examples and I'll see if I see a connection you don't ...
10/26/2012 01:06:50 PM · #13
Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by Venser:

Just asking because it seems they don't.
What's the point of even having them if by blatantly ignoring them still gets you into the top ten?


Where are these dnmc entries in the top 10? Cory's is the only one I see for the last four challenges.


I think it is the Princess Bride challenge where the quote was supposed to be your title and the red ribbon doesn't have a title at all.
10/26/2012 01:09:26 PM · #14
Maybe it's the lady with the magazine in front of her face with the cat eyes?
That's maskish <--- nice word huh.
10/26/2012 01:11:55 PM · #15
Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by Venser:

Just asking because it seems they don't.
What's the point of even having them if by blatantly ignoring them still gets you into the top ten?


Where are these dnmc entries in the top 10? Cory's is the only one I see for the last four challenges.


I think it is the Princess Bride challenge where the quote was supposed to be your title and the red ribbon doesn't have a title at all.


that's just a website error. you can't submit a picture without a title. there's an error floating around that removes titles that have quotation marks.
10/26/2012 01:13:47 PM · #16
Originally posted by LanndonKane:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by Venser:

Just asking because it seems they don't.
What's the point of even having them if by blatantly ignoring them still gets you into the top ten?


Where are these dnmc entries in the top 10? Cory's is the only one I see for the last four challenges.


I think it is the Princess Bride challenge where the quote was supposed to be your title and the red ribbon doesn't have a title at all.


that's just a website error. you can't submit a picture without a title. there's an error floating around that removes titles that have quotation marks.


I clearly remember the "nothing for miles" quote (it was longer than that) during voting.
10/26/2012 01:16:02 PM · #17
Originally posted by LanndonKane:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by Venser:

Just asking because it seems they don't.
What's the point of even having them if by blatantly ignoring them still gets you into the top ten?


Where are these dnmc entries in the top 10? Cory's is the only one I see for the last four challenges.


I think it is the Princess Bride challenge where the quote was supposed to be your title and the red ribbon doesn't have a title at all.


that's just a website error. you can't submit a picture without a title. there's an error floating around that removes titles that have quotation marks.


Well, that explains it to me, but could it be what the OP was referring to?
10/26/2012 01:25:41 PM · #18
Bet there are more times that an image is hurt by not adhering to the description or title than vice versa.

Here's a slightly different example. My Pet Rock image received a number of "this is not a rock" comments during voting. I pm'ed the commenters in order to nicely point out that the description said specifically "or other object" and all but one of the comments were changed (I assume the votes were, too, if they had been lowered for that reason). But other voters probably voted only on the title and did not comment. In the case of that challenge, I had read the description but some voters had not.

And btw, my entry in that challenge received exactly the same number of 1's as 10's; the same number of 2's as 9's; the same number of 3's as 8's. Which just tells me that it pretty much all comes out in the wash :)
10/26/2012 01:32:52 PM · #19
Didn't a flying chair win a ribbon in the Pet Rock challenge? I forget who did that one but it only made sense if voters read the challenge description.

ETA: it was vawendy's entry.



Message edited by author 2012-10-26 13:34:43.
10/26/2012 01:33:13 PM · #20
Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by LanndonKane:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by Venser:

Just asking because it seems they don't.
What's the point of even having them if by blatantly ignoring them still gets you into the top ten?


Where are these dnmc entries in the top 10? Cory's is the only one I see for the last four challenges.


I think it is the Princess Bride challenge where the quote was supposed to be your title and the red ribbon doesn't have a title at all.


that's just a website error. you can't submit a picture without a title. there's an error floating around that removes titles that have quotation marks.


Well, that explains it to me, but could it be what the OP was referring to?


I'm pretty sure he was referring to both my entry and a few other entries that were mask like, along with the fact that some of the top ten didn't really bother too much with the "secret" part either.

*Shrug* DPC seems to be rather bad at following descriptions as a group. Heck, even I was cringing at entering my shot after I saw how mask-like it ended up looking. I feared a ton of DNMC votes, and the only reason I entered it was because I had quite literally bled for the shot.

Frankly the ribbon is a bit of a shock, and while I've it heard it said that no-one ever complains when they end up on top, you can call this my exception to that rule - I really don't think I should have ribboned, since I did really stretch the limits of "no mask" to a somewhat obscene level. Still, I am very appreciative of all of the great comments and kind votes, I just wonder why we as voters don't hold the community to higher standards sometimes.
10/26/2012 01:37:08 PM · #21
Originally posted by yanko:

Didn't a flying chair win a ribbon in the Pet Rock challenge? I forget who did that one but it only made sense if voters read the challenge description.

ETA: it was vawendy's entry.



Which is of course another problem we see...people don't read challenge descriptions before judging something as DNMC:

"Take a photo of a rock (or any other inanimate object) as if it were a pet."

(not picking on your post...just a general point)
10/26/2012 01:45:01 PM · #22
Perhaps the issue is not the description, but the voters.
I am going to use you Cory as an example (not that I don't think you deserve ribbon just that it is easier to explain).

So if you look at your stats for Cory's Secret Agent shot:
Avg (participants): 6.6944
Avg (non-participants): 7.2237

Perhaps non-participants are not looking at the description. And why should they?
If you want to have additional rules for the challenge buried in the description, perhaps then a splash page should pop up before one is allowed to vote.

It really doesn't matter. In the case of Cory's shot, I would have voted it high also.
Frankly I don't read the descriptions when voting (just when entering).

Message edited by author 2012-10-26 14:17:47.
10/26/2012 01:55:02 PM · #23
Originally posted by jaysonmc:


I am going to use you Cory as an example.



By all means, I welcome the discussion, and think this image serves as a great point of reference for that discussion. Have at me, I encourage it. ;)
10/26/2012 01:56:42 PM · #24
Originally posted by jaysonmc:

Frankly I don't read the descriptions when voting (just when entering).
Found one person who contributes to the problem.

Hopefully you put a modicum of effort when voting for other things other than just showing up.
10/26/2012 02:05:33 PM · #25
Originally posted by Venser:

Originally posted by jaysonmc:

Frankly I don't read the descriptions when voting (just when entering).


Found one person who contributes to the problem.

Hopefully you put a modicum of effort when voting for other things other than just showing up.

I hope so too.

But it is wiser to find solution to a problem, or at least suggest one rather (albeit how poor it might be) than making a bunch of noise complaining about results.
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