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 08/09/2013 10:44:50 AM · #1
My wife does mainly children and family photography. Recently she has been booked to do nude photo shoots. Some of these clients have ask for her to participate in these shoots and they seem to be leaning mor towards pornography rather than photography. Has anyone ever been asked to pose with a model during a shoot to add to a portfolio? One model claims to need photos of his penis close up ejaculating. To me this is not art, but hey I am not a professional. How exactly would this be professional?
 08/09/2013 11:19:37 AM · #2
This might be professional for a porn actor, but not for the majority of people.

I love doing boudoir and nude photography, but the goal is to scintillate, not show everything, this seems to be way past reasonable. Personally I would decline. I certainly would never be ALONE In these situations.

At our studio we made sure that neither the photographer or the subject was alone (normally Phographer, Assistant, subject, and possible friend). Safety for everyone is very important. We were asked to do nude males for portfolios, but they were body builders wanting to show of muscle not... secretions.

Bottom line, if she's not comfortable doing it... Don't do it.
 08/09/2013 11:27:23 AM · #3
Ches, I think we're being punked here.

Jeff, if this is a legitimate question (and apologies if it is, but we receive a fair share of pranky/spammy questions), no this is not professional on any level.
 08/09/2013 11:45:18 AM · #4
I would not be asking if it were not an issue I find disturbing. Personally I find asking the photographer to participate the issue here. She was asked to pose in sexual acts that to me are porn and not art. I understand nude art, but showing that much of ones body is not art. I just wanted to here from people that have been doing nude art and see if you all thought this appropriate coming from a client. Thank you for the clarification!
 08/09/2013 12:15:23 PM · #5
art/porn debate aside, the photographer is the one who directs the session, not the model/subjcts. She needs to make it clear that such requests are inappropriate.

Message edited by author 2013-08-09 12:15:51.
 08/09/2013 12:25:26 PM · #6
She has made that clear. I do appreciate all the replies. I am new to doing photography. My wife just has no clue that some people are not who they claim to be when it comes to doing shoots. She did decide that since two clients requested the same and she refused, but they still want nudes that she would set dates I can be with her for safety reasons.
 08/09/2013 12:45:58 PM · #7
Apologies again, Jeff. Sounded like a prime topic for punking :-)

I suppose it really is up to your wife, if she feels comfortable doing this type of photography. And she should probably know that if she is, word will get out quite quickly as photogs who are up for this type of thing are hard to find. But again, no, it is utterly inappropriate for a client to make such requests of the photographer.
 08/09/2013 01:18:58 PM · #8
You need better clients. Maybe a better wife.
 08/09/2013 01:27:25 PM · #9
Originally posted by EL-ROI:
I personally find it surprising that you have to even debate this as an issue! If you haven't made up your mind whether or not you think your wife ought to jump in the sack and sexually pose with her clients, you really need to be thinking about why you married her in the first place. You clearly have no respect for your wife, yourself, or your marriage.


how is this even relevant to the discussion?

did you even read the post? He is asking if this is common practice not whether his wife ought to oblige.



Message edited by author 2013-08-09 13:32:05.
 08/09/2013 02:27:05 PM · #10
Look it was a simple question as to it being common. No as a husband I will not allow her to have contact with a client in that manner. She knows this, but one of her friends says that it is still considered art. I will not tolerate contact, but if she decides that is the kind of photography she wants to do then I'm done. I will not put up with infidelity of any kind. My wife has been honest and straight forward about it. It's just some people can be very convincing that it is strictly business. I am starting to thing that her name has been put somewhere it should not have been put. Aside from the outright judging my wife, you should actually think before speaking. I did not say she was doing it, I di not say I would let her either. All I wanted was a simple yes this is common or no it is not. Still the answers here tell me the majority say don't even do the shoot if they bring that up. Thank you!
 08/09/2013 02:34:39 PM · #11
Unless one is taking a self-portrait, the roles of photographer and model should not be mixed. I have no idea where these people thought this would be possible, let alone a good idea.

If these guys need a female model let them hire one; the photgrapher's job should be nothing other than taking the pictures.
 08/09/2013 02:39:11 PM · #12
I still can't believe this post. Even if the TS seems honest and genuine...
I mean, common! Does this question even have to be asked?
No, it is not common practice to request what that client requested
No, it is not common practice that the photographer participates in the shoot
No, the requested type of shooting is not artistic (this is my personal feeling - but others have the right to feel it is well artistic)
"NO" would be my answer when getting that request
"NO" would be my answer to the request for doing the shoot even without the requested participation
If I were a professional photographer, I would most certainly NOT want to link my name to that type of photography.

Call me prude...

Message edited by author 2013-08-09 14:43:12.
 08/09/2013 02:43:24 PM · #13
Hi Jeff, (its a bit strange question, but i m giving you the benefit of doubt)

I do not believe this is common practice. In fact, i believe its relatively uncommon for the photographer working assignments to be part of the actual shoot.

As far as my circle of friends who are professionals and amateurs are concerned, the scope of the shoot is discussed and agreed upon prior to booking.

For a few that deal with sensitive scenarios, the shoot is confirmed after details are discussed and put on paper to sign. I realize this may not be very common practice, but especially with delicate shoots where there is that extra room for litigation, its probably the better route.

Hope this helps.

Message edited by author 2013-08-09 14:44:14.
 08/09/2013 02:50:45 PM · #14
As for normalcy, gender might play a role. I don't think fotomann_forever minds "participating" in his photoshoots.

08/09/2013 02:52:45 PM · #15
Originally posted by aliqui:
As for normalcy, gender might play a role. I don't think fotomann_forever minds "participating" in his photoshoots.



Ostensibly that's a self portrait, so it doesn't really count. Leroy almost certainly doesn't do this on a regular basis. :) (or does he?? hmmmm..) ;)
 08/09/2013 03:06:00 PM · #16
Originally posted by Cory:
Leroy almost certainly doesn't do this on a regular basis. :) (or does he?? hmmmm..) ;)

... or does he?!
 08/09/2013 03:13:26 PM · #17
Maybe the clients think thats what she mainly shoots.
For a straight up photographer I think it's out of line BUT I have a friend who shoot nothing
but (content as he calls it) porn and it's not uncommon.
 08/09/2013 03:32:49 PM · #18
Originally posted by nygold:
Maybe the clients think thats what she mainly shoots.
For a straight up photographer I think it's out of line BUT I have a friend who shoot nothing
but (content as he calls it) porn and it's not uncommon.


exactly, it may uncommon for a portrait photographer, but its not uncommon. One only needs to peruse the interwebs for proof. its not not she's being requested to make snuff pics.
 08/09/2013 03:53:54 PM · #19
Yes I know Leroy Dickerson and no that would be common for him. It was a question that I did not know the answer to. I see it is now being blow so far out in left field it's not even funny. It's common in the porn industry and not in nude art. That is what I get from this. My god some people need to take a chill pill please. I did not want to have this turn into a big fight! I told you I know absolutely nothing about what is consider right and wrong here. I just thought it odd a client would even ask that not know if a photographer did that or not.
 08/09/2013 05:09:24 PM · #20
Welcome to DPC!!

It's what we do, and what we do sooooo well. You should see what we've done to some of the topics! :)

I do think you've hit it on the head, though -- I think someone put her name somewhere it shouldn't have put.
 08/09/2013 05:11:09 PM · #21
Originally posted by vawendy:
Welcome to DPC!!

It's what we do, and what we do sooooo well. You should see what we've done to some of the topics! :)

I do think you've hit it on the head, though -- I think someone put her name somewhere it shouldn't have put.


+1
 08/09/2013 05:25:51 PM · #22
One other thing for her to ponder:

Just because it's their art -- doesn't mean it has to be hers. As a photographer, you are known by the quality of work you put out. Is this how she wants to be known? Sometimes photographers forget to look past the job, and they think it's important to take everything that comes their way. You don't have to. You're trying to make a name for yourself. You should be proud of your work. Is this how she wants to be known and the photos she wants shown on the street in her name?

Sometimes it has to be about more than the money.

Message edited by author 2013-08-09 17:26:44.
 08/09/2013 05:29:37 PM · #23
FINALLY, some decent entertainment in the forums.

I'm probably like the rest of the "prudes" shaking their heads that this conversation is even taking place, but in reading all the posts, I'd agree that the OP has figured out his answer "common in porn, not common in nude art". This whole issue illustrates how blurred the lines are between what is acceptable and what is not in our society. Now let's all get back to doing our part in helping, preventing, or just watching the decline of civilization.
 08/09/2013 05:34:36 PM · #24
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
... Now let's all get back to doing our part in helping, preventing, or just watching the decline of civilization.

It'll never happen unless you write an app for that ... :-(
 08/09/2013 05:41:42 PM · #25
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
... Now let's all get back to doing our part in helping, preventing, or just watching the decline of civilization.

It'll never happen unless you write an app for that ... :-(


Weren't we just lamenting (in another thread) that we can, but there's too many commercials? (or was it that it contained too many animals... I get so confused about forum threads these days....)

Message edited by author 2013-08-09 17:42:49.
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