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05/12/2014 09:52:21 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by nygold:
I didn't think anything was really photographic in nature in the abstract challenge.
Yet I didn't hear any complaints. |
How do you mean? They're all single photographs. |
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05/12/2014 10:07:20 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by nygold:
I didn't think anything was really photographic in nature in the abstract challenge.
Yet I didn't hear any complaints. |
That also wasn't expert editing :)
The clause is only in the expert editing rule set. |
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05/12/2014 10:11:08 PM · #53 |
| i think that's his point! |
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05/12/2014 10:22:51 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by skewsme:
i think that's his point! |
He missed. |
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05/12/2014 10:31:11 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by hahn23:
"begin rant"Now, the emphasis seems to be much If I wanted to create cartoons, I'd learn to paint and draw in other media. "end rant" |
Rant or not, perhaps you could express your thoughts without disparaging the work of other photographers who feel just as passionately about their images as you do about yours. |
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05/12/2014 10:38:12 PM · #56 |
Why bother is right.
Odds are the winner will be one of a handful of people and consist of a technically superb composite of some huge number of source images contorted into an in-your-face unreal illustration that has all the subtlety of a truncheon to the face.
Message edited by author 2014-05-12 22:38:37. |
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05/12/2014 10:45:02 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
I hope many of you DO enter "regular" photos without all of the digital collage fantasy crap ... I will certainly reward you with a decent vote versus what I hand out for entries that aren't "photographic in nature". |
I sure hope this is just meant to stir the pot. Otherwise, it's just very sad, mean-spirited, and small-minded.
So if someone created an image of a flying pig with wings in a tutu from a single image, would that be photographic in nature or collage fantasy crap? What is it that bothers you? That the editing doesn't take place in the camera? It takes the same amount of work to set up a complicated shot than it does to edit numerous shots into a complicated image. The composites created by some people are comprised almost exclusively from authentic, "photographic in nature", images.
How do you feel about multiple exposures? Triptychs? What about gyaban's advanced editing extravaganza:
Is this fantasy crap?
At the very least, voting down an image because you don't like a genre seems to be skating on the edge of violating the TOS. |
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05/12/2014 10:45:53 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
Why bother is right.
Odds are the winner will be one of a handful of people and consist of a technically superb composite of some huge number of source images contorted into an in-your-face unreal illustration that has all the subtlety of a truncheon to the face. |
See above. Single image. He still won a ribbon. |
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05/12/2014 11:51:25 PM · #59 |
| I think maybe for some people fantasy is crap no matter how it's created. |
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05/12/2014 11:53:41 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by pixelpig:
I think maybe for some people fantasy is crap no matter how it's created. |
My point exactly. The discussion is mostly about that, and not the editing rule set. |
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05/13/2014 12:02:35 AM · #61 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
At the very least, voting down an image because you don't like a genre seems to be skating on the edge of violating the TOS. |
No, that's absolutely not true. It's up to the individual to choose what s/he vales (and devalues) in an image. |
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05/13/2014 03:14:57 AM · #62 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
"why bother"
This attitude is anathema of this site. I'm not near an ocean, why bother entering an ocean challenge. I live in a city, why bother entering a landscape or wildlife challenge. I'm shy, why bother entering a portrait challenge. I hate bugs, why bother entering a macro challenge. I'm afraid of the dark, why bother entering a night challenge. I live in the country, why bother entering an architecture challenge...
And so it is for any "expert" challenge. Although there are some very successful proponents of fantasy imagery, they are by NO means the only examples of excellent photography that take advantage of some or even any of the expert ruleset. Like it or not, compositing is part of the photographic landscape in the digital photography age. And this is a "digital photography" site. It would be illogical to exclude this type of challenge. Everyone has their strong suit - some are master street photographers; some are landscape maters, or wildlife masters, etc. If we enter only those things we're best at, what are we here to learn? And to further pick on poor Christophe, he has proven to be a master in every ruleset.
Again, I point to my recent Beauty entry which is basically one photograph, but it would have been DQ'd under Advanced because I had to replace one small element from another take, and clone out an element in the corner. Thus, it is as "photographic" in nature as it is possible to be, but it was created using some of the manipulations allowed under the "expert" editing ruleset. |
+100
I can see in this thread a lot of complaints. Two things come to my mind:
1) No one ever complaints about super hdrized/topazed images which look completely unrealistic, much more than 80% of the composites.
2) You are the photographers, but you are the voters as well. So vote according to what is your idea and let people do the same. |
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05/13/2014 05:53:40 AM · #63 |
Apparently this is a disagreement on opinion that raises its flames every once in a while.
I am a great fan of both fantasy crap edits and photorealistic shots. The great thing here is that we can have both. |
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05/13/2014 06:51:05 AM · #64 |
The sad thing is: the people who complain about intolerance are showing the same intolerance towards the other forms.
There's room for everything.
Expert editing challenges don't occur every week. Even if they did, that's still only a 1/3 of the time. Why can't we be accepting of all forms and appreciate the time and talent that goes into ANY of these challenges?
I'm getting less and less interested in expert editing, because it's not my thing. But that simply means that I'll enter non-expert images or expert images that are a lot more simplistic. Will I beat Christophe and Samantha? Not likely -- but I've done it before! :)
(I'd stand a better chance of beating Samantha, if I was anywhere near as lovely as she is! :) |
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05/13/2014 06:53:47 AM · #65 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
Originally posted by Spork99:
Why bother is right.
Odds are the winner will be one of a handful of people and consist of a technically superb composite of some huge number of source images contorted into an in-your-face unreal illustration that has all the subtlety of a truncheon to the face. |
See above. Single image. He still won a ribbon. |
There are exceptions, but the odds are still that a Frankenshopped image will get the blue |
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05/13/2014 07:11:07 AM · #66 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by tanguera:
Originally posted by Spork99:
Why bother is right.
Odds are the winner will be one of a handful of people and consist of a technically superb composite of some huge number of source images contorted into an in-your-face unreal illustration that has all the subtlety of a truncheon to the face. |
See above. Single image. He still won a ribbon. |
There are exceptions, but the odds are still that a Frankenshopped image will get the blue |
So what? get over it.....it is what it is! All the BS complaining achieves nothing!!
I totally look forward to seeing what artistic displays some people can achieve under the expert rule set and will reward the best images (note I said images not photographs) with a high vote.
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05/13/2014 07:21:52 AM · #67 |
Hmm. I've had a bit on lately, so I haven't been around as much as I'd like. I saw the Winged Things challenge come up, inspiration struck and I thought that I would go out of my way this week to see if I could bring that spark of inspiration to fruition. I was pretty excited; not because I thought I would have any chance at a virtual ribbon, but because it would be a chance to stretch my creative wings (pun intended) and do something fun.
I may still play with the idea of the image, but after this lambast I'm definitely reconsidering entering it here.
And that makes me sad.
:( |
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05/13/2014 07:33:42 AM · #68 |
Originally posted by Stagolee:
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by tanguera:
Originally posted by Spork99:
Why bother is right.
Odds are the winner will be one of a handful of people and consist of a technically superb composite of some huge number of source images contorted into an in-your-face unreal illustration that has all the subtlety of a truncheon to the face. |
See above. Single image. He still won a ribbon. |
There are exceptions, but the odds are still that a Frankenshopped image will get the blue |
So what? get over it.....it is what it is! All the BS complaining achieves nothing!!
I totally look forward to seeing what artistic displays some people can achieve under the expert rule set and will reward the best images (note I said images not photographs) with a high vote. |
It bugs me that the "Highest Rated Photographs" on DPChallenge is becoming more and more a display of highly contrived digital art rather than stellar photographs. Obviously I'm in a minority, but that's still my opinion. I guess I like this place for what it was, not what it's becoming.
As for Originally posted by Stagolee:
"... will reward the best images (note I said images not photographs) with a high vote." |
I'll repeat the text directly from the Expert Editing Rules page ...
You should: keep your entry photographic in nature. Though violating this guideline is not grounds for disqualification, voters are encouraged to rate entries accordingly.
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05/13/2014 07:43:36 AM · #69 |
As the current holder of the highest rated non-expert edited image since 2008, I must admit to being just a tad proud of that.
However I still appreciate nearly every one of those expertly edited images up there. |
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05/13/2014 07:48:52 AM · #70 |
The users here decide and vote according their own views. If it means that the highest rated page changes its type, it is the users and voters here that are responsible for the evolution of this site. And that is a good thing.
I'm having quite a gyabanistic view of my entry for wings, but the end result will probably be something very different :) |
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05/13/2014 07:56:39 AM · #71 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
You should: keep your entry photographic in nature. Though violating this guideline is not grounds for disqualification, voters are encouraged to rate entries accordingly. |
The whole point is the "photographic in nature" statement. This is totally open to interpretation especially whilst the rule set allows you to create a fantasy type entry made up entirely of photographs......to me the rule set is self governing by the fact that you are allowed to enter an image made up of many photos.Therefore if it's made up from photos it is keeping within the photographic in nature statement.
It also states that voters are encouraged it doesn't say should, must or are instructed to vote accordingly! Therefore I'm encouraged to vote higher for the entries that utilize the full capabilities rules provided and appreciate the abilities these artist have.
As you stated earlier you are in the minority! To me you are seeing it with blinkers on especially by mentioning the highest rated photos of the site ....that will change with the times......I suggest you do too!
Message edited by author 2014-05-13 07:57:07. |
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05/13/2014 08:06:15 AM · #72 |
Originally posted by Stagolee:
...As you stated earlier you are in the minority! To me you are seeing it with blinkers on especially by mentioning the highest rated photos of the site ....that will change with the times......I suggest you do too! |
Thanks, but no thanks. If I decide to take up scrapbooking then I'll consider putting some photo montages together, but not for a "Photo" challenge. |
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05/13/2014 08:17:24 AM · #73 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Stagolee:
...As you stated earlier you are in the minority! To me you are seeing it with blinkers on especially by mentioning the highest rated photos of the site ....that will change with the times......I suggest you do too! |
Thanks, but no thanks. If I decide to take up scrapbooking then I'll consider putting some photo montages together, but not for a "Photo" challenge. |
It's a photo challenge with rules that allow montages!
If you don't like it don't complain about what people can create within the rules complain about the rules themselves.
So I will vote on the finished product and appreciate what can be done within the rules. |
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05/13/2014 08:19:45 AM · #74 |
Originally posted by Stagolee:
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by tanguera:
Originally posted by Spork99:
Why bother is right.
Odds are the winner will be one of a handful of people and consist of a technically superb composite of some huge number of source images contorted into an in-your-face unreal illustration that has all the subtlety of a truncheon to the face. |
See above. Single image. He still won a ribbon. |
There are exceptions, but the odds are still that a Frankenshopped image will get the blue |
So what? get over it.....it is what it is! All the BS complaining achieves nothing!!
I totally look forward to seeing what artistic displays some people can achieve under the expert rule set and will reward the best images (note I said images not photographs) with a high vote. |
as do i |
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05/13/2014 08:20:46 AM · #75 |
Originally posted by Stagolee:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Stagolee:
...As you stated earlier you are in the minority! To me you are seeing it with blinkers on especially by mentioning the highest rated photos of the site ....that will change with the times......I suggest you do too! |
Thanks, but no thanks. If I decide to take up scrapbooking then I'll consider putting some photo montages together, but not for a "Photo" challenge. |
It's a photo challenge with rules that allow montages!
If you don't like it don't complain about what people can create within the rules complain about the rules themselves.
So I will vote on the finished product and appreciate what can be done within the rules. |
me too |
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