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08/24/2014 11:57:05 PM · #1
Hey ya all!
I am in the process of starting to study and do research for my upgrade camera.. I am excited because my next camera, I thought my heart was on the Nikon D7100... However, One of my local stores brought in their Canon D70 so I played with it for a while on both of them, and WOW, am I ever impressed with it..Even loved how it handled and even liked that I really didn't have to play with the buttons and settings like I did with the Nikon..

Now, I am really torn between these two cameras but I think I may be turning into a Canon girl LOL! What really impressed me was how fast that canon focused.. even though the Nikon had more focus points, I felt it was just a tad slower than the Canon was. I think it all boils down to brand name and all, but the prices are about neck to neck..
I would be specifically using it for landscapes, wildlife and my weather..

My Nikon D60 that I own only goes to 1000 ISO, On this camera I have tried the 800 but it was really noisy and grainy..

On these two newer cameras the higher ISOs seem to really be really nice and not as grainy or noisy when I played with them in the stores.. my question is have you all really used that high, high ISO like ever? Knowing in case you would really use it when you needed it, it is there, but really? Does it really matter?

The Nikon D7100 is 100-6400
The Canon D70 goes from 100-12800

08/25/2014 12:08:07 AM · #2
That's a Canon 70D: Canon has the letter after the number, Nikon before the number. And yes, the high-iso capacity is extremely useful.
08/25/2014 12:31:31 AM · #3
Originally posted by jgirl57:


The Nikon D7100 is 100-6400


The D7100 has H1 and H2 ISO modes that increase the "effective range" up to 25600

//www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon-d7100

But I'm a little biased...
08/25/2014 12:34:06 AM · #4
I'm not your average user, however when I am working, I rarely see below 6400ISO.

Yes the ISO in the data DPC pulled is valid.
08/25/2014 01:39:16 AM · #5
I'm pretty happy with the D7000. I rarely shoot above iso 1600, but it's nice to know that it's there if shutter speed needs require it.
ETA, If you are more comfortable with the controls on the Canon, and it feels better in your hands, then maybe you should go that way.
Not having to think much about camera settings will allow you to get many photos that you would miss while fiddling with the camera or shooting with settings wrong for the scene.

Message edited by author 2014-08-25 01:43:04.
08/25/2014 02:17:04 AM · #6
Canon 6D

ISO6400


ISO2500


ISO5000


6D is in a different class.

Here you can see a very good comparison.
08/25/2014 03:38:17 AM · #7
Lenses. If it's a close choice between the cameras, see what lenses you would like to get and compare the Canon vs Nikon for each focal length. Focus speed also depends on the lens, and it's the lens that gives you the quality photo at the end of the day.

For example, say you want 50mm. The Canon EF 50mm 1.8 is significantly cheaper than the Nikon 50mm 1.8D and the Canon is better overall (i.e. get the Canon camera). But these are slower focusing lenses. To get the faster focusing lenses (which are also generally better), compare the Nikon 50mm 1.8G and the Canon 50mm 1.4 USM (which are much more expensive). The Nikon here is cheaper and as good (and sometimes better), but the Canon lens is faster. So here you would have to test which focuses faster (if they focus the same or the Nikon faster, get the Nikon camera).

Technicalities aside, use them both and buy the camera you love (more).
08/25/2014 04:57:46 AM · #8
Julie, I am a Canon girl and have been for MANY years. However, I have NO problems with Nikon, either.

Normally, if someone already owns a number of Nikon lenses, I can see no good reason to swap systems. Nikon and Canon are so very close in every way, it would be crazy to waste your current investment just to swap systems.

Both manufacturers are fabulous. Both systems have their strong and their weak points. As far as I can tell, at the end of the day, the end up equal ( if you compare the right level of cameras from both of them).

Keep in mind that a good photographer will get equally amazing shots out of either system, whereas a lousy photographer (or a newbie with much to learn) will not be able to get consistently good results from ANY camera.

I know it is tempting to think that a "better" camera will you turn into an instantly amazing photographer, but that is not the truth. As much as I'd welcome you to "Team Canon", don't be tempted by the grass that always looks greener on the other side of the fence. Unless you have a money tree in your back yard, consider this very carefully.

08/25/2014 06:02:43 AM · #9
I agree with the previous post. If you have invested in the Nikon lenses, it might be smart to get a Nikon. Camera bodies change a lot but the lenses can be used on new bodies, unless you go from a DX format to a FX format. They are still interchangeable, but one would prefer to get the FX lenses for the Full frame format.. God's blessing.
08/25/2014 07:04:10 AM · #10
Good news is I have not invested much in the Nikon stuff yet..
my best friend gave me her D60 to learn from and to test out...

only lenses I brought were not prime and I paid less than 200$ (used sigma) for both..
one telephoto 18-200 and the other was a 70-300.. I have found myself using thr 18-200 on everything and I love it
the other things i brought were also used... thank god for Ebay and amazon..

More and more people are having issues with those oil spots on the 7100 and spending that much money for that issue is kinda scaring me away from the Nikon

My main shooting concentration is on eagles.. I know that canon rocks for video but I have no intentions on doing videos

I also have no intentions of going full frame just a serious hobbiest:))
I have to get my own camera now so its why I am going back and forth:))

Message edited by author 2014-08-25 07:05:57.
08/25/2014 07:11:04 AM · #11
Have you had a look at the full frames? Check the Nikon D600 or D610 Canon 5D one, two, or three. Always get good glass. Your sensors are only as good as the light that comes in.... God's blessing.
08/25/2014 07:11:33 AM · #12
Have you had a look at the full frames? Check the Nikon D600 or D610 Canon 5D one, two, or three. Always get good glass. Your sensors are only as good as the light that comes in.... God's blessing.
08/25/2014 07:12:49 AM · #13
Pack light. Olympus OMD EM1 or OMD EM5. DSLRs are yesterday's tech ;).

I'm a recovering Canon user.
08/25/2014 07:13:09 AM · #14
Sorry I think there is an ecco in here....weg
08/25/2014 07:20:01 AM · #15
Depends on the intended usage. I almost never go above ISO 800. The Canon 7D starts getting noisy above 1600 real quick I find.

If you don't need good low light performance and high ISO capability, I'd spend my pennies on better lenses instead.
08/25/2014 08:02:34 AM · #16
I don't know what's the cost difference between a 70d + some lens and the body of D7100 but if I were you I would go for the D7100 and start shooting right away with what I have! Then slowly saving money for good glass or other goodies.

Message edited by author 2014-08-25 08:03:41.
08/25/2014 08:03:35 AM · #17
focus speed has more to do with the lens than the dslr body, tracking ability and accuracy are usually body dependent though but the speed at which it focuses is based primarily on the motor in the lens.

High ISO ability is overrated unless you shoot a lot in low light. Just because a camera can go to 25,600 doesn't mean in any practical sense most people would ever shoot that high. 6400 is my absolute cut off, and even then i'm cleaning up images like crazy getting rid of the noise.

if you bought your lenses used you can sell them used and not really lose any money, you aren't heavily invested in high end glass anyway.
if you are considering a switch to Canon, just know that both systems are very comparable, its rare that one ever outdoes the other and even the glass is comparable. If you like your lens lineup, stick with Nikon. if this is your first real body purchase, dont regret picking one system over another as you really arent going to be choosing a totally inferior system, Nikon may do better in some respects specwise and Canon in others but its only really an argument for gear heads, real world usage you never know the difference. One thing to consider is if you know anyone with a particular system to choose that system so you can share lenses. I shoot canon and most of my friends shoot Nikon and i wish I shot the same as them so i could use their lenses

if your main focus is wildife, dont let anyone persuade into anything that isn't a dslr, the autofocus ability just isn't there yet.
08/25/2014 08:39:26 AM · #18
haha recovering canon user, thats funny!

The prices are neck to neck which had me look at the 70D Canon..but the ISO part is what was really confusing me and it was a huge difference between the two and hence why I asked here.
08/25/2014 09:20:09 AM · #19
One thing that I use all the time that Canon does not have is the grid that we have in our view finder. I would find that crippling to go without...I use it all the time for horizons/buildings...

$$ is $$ when it comes to lens you will have to replace all that you have and start out with "kit lens". So think on that a bit more. Myself I have to much invested in lens (even used ones) to replace one and all...and I LOVE my Nikon D7000 (which you can still find at a deal - body only)
08/25/2014 09:37:52 AM · #20
You mentioned the focus speed in your original post, but didn't tell us that you were shooting with older Sigma lenses in that post. That's probably the reason the AF seemed slower on the Nikon.
One other big plus with the Nikon system is that there are several of the Nikons, the D7000 included which can be used, and will meter, with the older Nikon and Nikon fit lenses all the way back to the 1970's.
There are some great older lenses that are bargains if you know how to manual focus, and they are made for that, having larger and easier to use focusing rings than the newer lenses.
08/25/2014 09:40:08 AM · #21
You've got very little invested in glass, so a change in brand is not a big impact. Still, there will be some net cost, even though you can sell your existing lenses.
Bottom line, go with the body that feels right to you and has the features that are important for your own shooting style. Also think about what features will be key to advancing your skills. Finally, if you are buying Canon, look at Canon Refurbished. They warranty for one year and you can get a significant discount by going that route. I highly recommend that path, having bought my 6D that way, and also having bought a camera for a family member from the refurb program.
08/25/2014 11:19:47 AM · #22
looking at a side by side comparison in dpreview they look so similar

go with whichever one you like

as mentioned the disadvantage of switching brands is replacing your current lenses, so ...
add that to the equation

specially the 70-300 if you want to continue shooting eagles ASAP

08/25/2014 07:38:34 PM · #23
Wow. That was in the wrong thread...

Message edited by author 2014-08-26 00:18:53.
08/25/2014 07:46:58 PM · #24
great points ya all, thank you so much! This helps me out a lot with the decisions
08/25/2014 11:48:45 PM · #25
Soooo ......which one will it be....do tell......do tell....
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