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03/17/2017 11:35:01 PM · #26 |
| but I was quite serious, Bear. the photographer was, of course, there. the story says the photographer came away unscathed. I think I would have been rather more than scathed had it been me. |
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03/18/2017 12:57:47 AM · #27 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
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I love to shoot trains, tracks, stations and will continue to do so. However, I will also operate under the idea that if I f*ck up, I could die.
Novel concept, eh? |
And the only people who have to live with it are your family and the engineer and brakeman who will forever have the memory of your death - and their loss or their part in it - seared in their memories.
I'm sorry, Jeb, but I really hate this mentality - and it doesn't just have to do with taking photos on railroad tracks.
Here's our last local - as in here in my small town - incident. And yes, the kids should not have been on the trestle bridge. But that fact will never erase the loss and the nightmares his death caused.
And this article is also interesting.
I sincerely hope you never f* up - both because we'd hate to lose a friend and because of all the unnecessary pain it would cause others. |
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03/18/2017 02:17:21 AM · #28 |
| My stepdaughter witnessed the gruesome death of a good friend when they were 18. They were two of the girls in this story in 2004. Not something I wanted her to ever experience, especially before she finished high school. She still has some effects from the trauma. |
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03/18/2017 03:34:08 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I love to shoot trains, tracks, stations and will continue to do so. However, I will also operate under the idea that if I f*ck up, I could die.
Novel concept, eh? |
Originally posted by nam:
And the only people who have to live with it are your family and the engineer and brakeman who will forever have the memory of your death - and their loss or their part in it - seared in their memories.
I'm sorry, Jeb, but I really hate this mentality - and it doesn't just have to do with taking photos on railroad tracks.
I sincerely hope you never f* up - both because we'd hate to lose a friend and because of all the unnecessary pain it would cause others. |
You misunderstand my position...... I act around trains & tracks the same way I use a chainsaw..... VERY carefully and with the full knowledge that I'm in the presence of deadly machinery that requires being fully cognizant of what you're doing as the consequences are dire.
I do NOT have a cavalier attitude about the dangers.
Message edited by author 2017-03-18 15:37:15.
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03/18/2017 03:51:42 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Whoa, Jeb... We're actually not in disagreement on anything. Or at least, not on anything you've posted in THIS thread :-) I'm just a tad bit more diplomatic than you... |
I have a fair amount of angst and frustration toward people who get hurt killed by trains. I have been around trains, and train people my whole life. You would be amazed at how often bad things happen that you never hear about. And the people that run the trains, guard the stations and yards, and have to clean up after these incidents are over are stuck with the sights and memories forever. Okay fine, you say I'm not diplomatic, but I'm merely coming from a position of someone who has a lot of railroad friends. Nobody ever thinks about the blowback that comes to them.
So if it's not diplomatic to point that out, so be it, but I'd also like people to think about the effect on the railroad people these incidents have the next time someone talks about a train tragedy. It's over for the person who died, but not so much for others.
I'll stash my soapbox now...
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03/18/2017 04:43:08 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Whoa, Jeb... We're actually not in disagreement on anything. Or at least, not on anything you've posted in THIS thread :-) I'm just a tad bit more diplomatic than you... |
I have a fair amount of angst and frustration toward people who get hurt killed by trains. I have been around trains, and train people my whole life. You would be amazed at how often bad things happen that you never hear about. And the people that run the trains, guard the stations and yards, and have to clean up after these incidents are over are stuck with the sights and memories forever. Okay fine, you say I'm not diplomatic, but I'm merely coming from a position of someone who has a lot of railroad friends. Nobody ever thinks about the blowback that comes to them.
So if it's not diplomatic to point that out, so be it, but I'd also like people to think about the effect on the railroad people these incidents have the next time someone talks about a train tragedy. It's over for the person who died, but not so much for others.
I'll stash my soapbox now... |
Now see, I agree with you 100% on this. The part that bothered and still bothers me a bit is the "I love to shoot trains, tracks, stations and will continue to do so. However, I will also operate under the idea that if I f*uck up, I could die. Novel concept, eh?"
I absolutely believe that you will always be careful. But so many people who have accidents - not talking about just train accidents - say things afterwards (if they are lucky enough to live to say anything) like "I was being careful. I didn't see the car. I looked. I just didn't see it. I thought it was going more slowly. I didn't know the gun was loaded. etc. etc."
And now I'll stash my soapbox, too. |
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03/19/2017 10:25:47 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by nam:
The part that bothered and still bothers me a bit is the "I love to shoot trains, tracks, stations and will continue to do so. However, I will also operate under the idea that if I f*uck up, I could die. Novel concept, eh?"
I absolutely believe that you will always be careful. |
Okay..... If you truly believe that, then I will assume that you understood my chainsaw analogy, and understood it because you understand the operation of dangerous machinery. I worked in the agriculture business for a number of years as well as serving lawn & garden customers as part of my job at a John Deere dealer. I've probably met a dozen people over the years with maimed hands who tried to unstick a jammed snowblower while it was still running. I never understood how someone could be so incredibly unaware of what the consequences of doing so can be. So I know people missing fingers because they neither thought nor used common sense. It's sad, but I have a hard time having much sympathy for someone who sticks their hand in a running machine. Same with farm equipment..... It seemed to be about once a year that a farm boy would get killed by a combine or harvestor. And it's because they lost the respect that anyone who operates machinery MUST have in order to utilize it safely. If for no other reason than seeing these incidents firsthand, I am very careful, and make it a point to know exactly what I'm doing around machines that can kill me. I work on cars......I have plenty of horror stories from that line of work as well.
Originally posted by nam:
But so many people who have accidents - not talking about just train accidents - say things afterwards (if they are lucky enough to live to say anything) like "I was being careful. I didn't see the car. I looked. I just didn't see it. I thought it was going more slowly. I didn't know the gun was loaded. etc. etc." |
I get where you're coming from, and I appreciate your concern, but again, you truly don't know enough about me to be worried. Your last example is what spawned this post..... I tried just to let it go, but honestly, please do NOT lump me in with the sort of person who would ever state that they didn't know a gun was loaded. Anyone handling a gun should first rack the slide, pop the clip, break the breech, or throw the bolt and assume that the gun needs to be unloaded. Period.
One of the best ways to not have accidents is to keep your wits about you, be knowledgeable, informed, and take the necessary precautions for whatever endeavor you choose to engage. In most cases with these tragic events, it's all too often a case of someone doing something they should have stayed far away from in the first place.
Personally, I feel that I'm too young to die, ESPECIALLY from stupidity, carelessness, or a complete departure from common sense.
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03/20/2017 07:03:51 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Personally, I feel that I'm too young to die, ESPECIALLY from stupidity, carelessness, or a complete departure from common sense. |
And you're too old to die from that. |
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03/20/2017 07:36:37 AM · #34 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I'll stash my soapbox now... |
i did doubt it |
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03/20/2017 10:33:46 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I'll stash my soapbox now... |
Originally posted by Tiny:
i did doubt it |
I don't suppose I could interest you in some beachfront property near Omaha???
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03/20/2017 10:41:57 AM · #36 |
Wow, glad I was extra-super-careful when I diced with death some years ago with this:  However, I did so knowing for absolute fact that the only train to use that stretch chugs along at a sedate 20km, and only during a certain time frame on Thursday and if I recall correctly, Sunday afternoons. |
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