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04/04/2015 06:13:23 AM · #1


So I saw this done on 500px but composite of 4 images. Setting it up as 1 image was tougher

I started this at 10pm on roll over night so not the best timing I know, took bit of time to get the setup right and the lighting then set about trying to do setting the 1.5 second exposure off for the flame then dripping the water then firing the flash manually hard work, so queue a few Brocken glasses from the heat and then cold water hitting them and it would appear few splashes on the lens.

Giant mike said about the air being just empty glass and I did think about smoke but smokes smoke, tried a bubble over the top but it soon popped with the water splashes.

So I'd like to hear why it didn't connect with people especially the 16 votes 5 and under,

No posts saying it did well etc I should be happy as I am I just like to fine tune an image I thought would do better than 6.2

My thoughts would be that the fires to big, I had a piece of rock wall in the glass and some paraffin first exposure was great as glass was clean and flame was smaller but I missed the water splash so as it went on glass sutted up and bit of water got in with the paraffin and made the flames bigger.

Laser trigger needed and a few clamp stands shooting a syringe of water from above while you drop the remote release and pickup the flash trigger and try and guess the timing isn't easy :)

I'll post up some out takes
04/04/2015 06:40:19 AM · #2
I gave you a 5 and to be honest, I'm surprised it made 6.2.
Main reason to give that 5 was the fact I thought your image to be messy. The lens flare didn't add much IMO, the surface of the underground is not clean, I found it most distracting. I was not keen on the lighting (I'm far from an expert in that matter, but it's just my feeling about it) and last but not least I didn't think it was an original take on the challenge. I knew there would be 1 or 2 of these and I was right. This will not cost you any points, but when having doubts about giving a 5 or 6 (which I hadn't), it can makes the difference.
Hope you don't mind my honesty.
04/04/2015 06:48:02 AM · #3
No of course not the more honest and harsh the better, I'm not precious at all about the shot its a cliche and not original but fitted the challenge well and I enjoyed the challenge of doing it in 1 exposure.

The lens flare/water splashes weren't deliberate they were just result of water everywhere and no time to clear up, I wasn't checking the lcd between exposures I think next time shooting teethered to a laptop would help

I though removing them would be outside the rules
04/04/2015 07:33:01 AM · #4
Dont no why it didnt connect with the voters, prob would of been better if air glass didnt have water on it, but you did well considering its just 1 exposure. I gave you a 9 :)

Message edited by author 2015-04-04 07:34:18.
04/04/2015 08:30:42 AM · #5
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyberprop/sets/72157651338069178/

heres is how i wanted the fire but by the time 3 had cracked id run out of matching glasses (actually nutella jars)

R66A6547.jpg by gilesbert, on Flickr

got a bit wet missing the glass

R66A6590.jpg by gilesbert, on Flickr

when water splashes into the paraffin

R66A6579.jpg by gilesbert, on Flickr

Message edited by author 2015-04-04 08:31:36.
04/04/2015 08:58:59 AM · #6
It seems clear that most of the "problems" came from trying to create the splash -- not sure that was necessary ...

I'm wondering if some of the muted reaction comes from the layout -- with all the glasses laid out side-by-side it seems a bit like catalog product shot; the same sweater in four colors ...

I was thinking that the "four elements" represented the universe as perceived by the ancient Greeks, and that arranging them vertically might have worked better -- a stair-stepped platform going from front to back, and with earth, water, air, and fire arranged bottom to top, as they exist in nature. You could have the whole thing sitting on dirt and eliminate one of the jars, and the water and fire jars would be separated both laterally and vertically so there would be less chance of the water splashing into the fire.
04/04/2015 09:06:07 AM · #7
I voted a 5 on this image. The reason being was that I did not like those 6 little bokah dots on the image.
They overtook the image and they were too bold.
As for the image itself, I thought it to be the perfect idea and I thought it did fit perfectly with the challenge.

Those little bokah dots, ruined the whole image for me, and it was a huge distraction with the colors of what I felt was trying to be conceived of the effect you wanted.

I also thought the bottom right corner were messed up as well, again the little bokah reflection, like it wasn't cloned out, and I felt that it was too much cropped in at the bottom. Like the head of the fire got chopped off. The second image it still is, but its not as apparent because there are awesome water drops covering it up, so it really doesn't take away but only add to the image.

Now, if you would have submitted the second image, that would have been my personal top favorite, its perfect in the sense of what was supposed to be. It still had those little bokah thinggies but it wasn't as transparent and bold like your entry and it added to your entry to give it a great effect.

Message edited by author 2015-04-04 10:33:37.
04/04/2015 09:43:16 AM · #8
I was your 3. That is because it was a studio shot with an obvious concept with no background on a reflective surface, a perfect storm of boring... Which I would normally give a 1 but I liked the flares and drops and was impressed that you got all four glasses right. I thought the so called technicals were good.
04/04/2015 10:32:12 AM · #9
I thought it was a brilliant shot. I'm always very impressed when a set up shot like this comes together because I have such a hard time doing it myself. It did finish top ten so that's not too bad.
04/04/2015 10:45:47 AM · #10
i like the stepping idea

it was a close call but i prefered the spout on the entry to the bubbles in this one, maybe i should have lost the air glass and just had the bubbles under the water

https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyberprop/17029557125/in/set-72157651338069178

04/04/2015 10:48:01 AM · #11
Originally posted by posthumous:

I was your 3. That is because it was a studio shot with an obvious concept with no background on a reflective surface, a perfect storm of boring... Which I would normally give a 1 but I liked the flares and drops and was impressed that you got all four glasses right. I thought the so called technicals were good.


i can live with that ive got a more to our taste shot for my next challenge :)

i find myself more and more drawn away from this kinda of thing but i do like the challenge of getting a shot to almost work

04/04/2015 10:54:05 AM · #12
In this challenge I voted but offered no comments. I gave you a 6, and I'll try to resurrect my reasoning. I liked the effort and the crispness and the difficulty factor, which I didn't fully appreciate because I'm ignorant on such matters, but I knew there were orchestration issues. I liked the water all over the surface and the flares. In fact, I saw the flares as droplets of fire analogous to the water droplets, which was cool. On the other hand there were some distractions. As a result of the long exposure the flame smoothed into a waterfall effect, which I felt was out of keeping with the otherwise overall crispness. It looked like the phony fire simulated by bulb-lit orange fabric animated by a fan. The tongue of water looked kind of blob-like. The air glass was not immediately apparent as such. I would have rearranged the glasses to separate the air glass and the water glass. Also, though I'm not wedded to boy-girl-boy-girl setups, I think alternating the dark and light glasses might have improved the balance.
My initial reaction, I believe, was a sense of resignation at seeing yet another utilization of glasses to illustrate a point. Yet, I enjoyed it enough to elicit a 6.
04/04/2015 11:08:31 AM · #13
I like it best when you photograph your girlfriends.
04/04/2015 11:14:31 AM · #14
Originally posted by Tiny:

I like it best when you photograph your girlfriends.


haha she was a previous partner now just good friends and the current g/f has put a stop to that

unless you can have a word with her

Message edited by author 2015-04-04 11:16:10.
04/04/2015 11:20:21 AM · #15
Originally posted by streetpigeon:

In this challenge I voted but offered no comments. I gave you a 6, and I'll try to resurrect my reasoning. I liked the effort and the crispness and the difficulty factor, which I didn't fully appreciate because I'm ignorant on such matters, but I knew there were orchestration issues. I liked the water all over the surface and the flares. In fact, I saw the flares as droplets of fire analogous to the water droplets, which was cool. On the other hand there were some distractions. As a result of the long exposure the flame smoothed into a waterfall effect, which I felt was out of keeping with the otherwise overall crispness. It looked like the phony fire simulated by bulb-lit orange fabric animated by a fan. The tongue of water looked kind of blob-like. The air glass was not immediately apparent as such. I would have rearranged the glasses to separate the air glass and the water glass. Also, though I'm not wedded to boy-girl-boy-girl setups, I think alternating the dark and light glasses might have improved the balance.
My initial reaction, I believe, was a sense of resignation at seeing yet another utilization of glasses to illustrate a point. Yet, I enjoyed it enough to elicit a 6.


yep i agree with that the fire wasnt to my liking but without a much more complicated setup it was hard in 1 exposure
04/04/2015 01:19:46 PM · #16
Seemed done all right, but not much interest to it. It was a 6 from me.

I love what happened to the fire in this one:

fire person

That one is a lot more interesting. It looks like the fire is climbing out of the glass.
04/04/2015 02:53:12 PM · #17
Originally posted by Giles:



R66A6579.jpg by gilesbert, on Flickr


By far the most interesting of the bunch
04/04/2015 05:44:49 PM · #18
I though it was creative and clever I was also one of your 9's.
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