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 07/03/2015 05:31:59 PM · #176
Originally posted by wbanning:
I think there's actually a valid reason (theory at this point) that scores are higher:

This challenge asked for participants not only to identify themselves, but to photograph something that "captures your favorite subject and defines you as a photographer." Many (for me, most) of the regular challenges at DPC force the photographer to work with a theme that may not resonate for them.

In this case everyone who participated got to shoot something, or in some style, that "defines" them. I'd expect better work overall when the challenge represents the heart of the artist. As a voter, my scores for this one were higher than my average, but not higher than I've ever given. I ascribe that to looking at work the artist got to choose. It's also true that my highest given scores occur in challenges when the theme is something I like to look at.

I also think this is relevant to scoring differentials between challenges and free studies. No data on hand to prove it, but I'm pretty sure I score FS's on the higher end of my average, too.

I was gonna say this but Banning beat me to it. Of COURSE scores are higher, everyone was hotting in their own ballpark for this one :-)
 07/03/2015 06:04:40 PM · #177
The volume of comments was refreshing. It's nice to know someone spent more than a few seconds looking at your entry. I was even inspired to write more than I usually do. Thanks to all the participants.
 07/03/2015 06:09:26 PM · #178
Having scored in 90th place in this competition, if this were a popularity contest, I'd think I was being 'voted off the island.' But then I looked at the others at the bottom of the curve, and realized it was all good folk who knew their way around a camera. There are some other images at the bottom of the pack that I had given 8s and 7s. They were taken by some exceptional photographers. I like the company.

My real love of photography is story telling, finding incongruities and capturing them. The one I submitted met those standards, in spades. Was the story obvious to others? Apparently not. Not a problem. I liked it.
 07/03/2015 11:19:22 PM · #179
I'm not going to keep arguing the point unless there is a serious discussion to remove anonymity from the challenges.

This challenge was fun as an exception, but as soon as I started voting I knew viscerally that this would not be a good idea as a rule.

It goes beyond popularity. It's also about cliques and social obligations, group dynamics, etc etc etc.

And to say that my photo would have gotten a high 5 in any other challenge would be to blow smoke out of your arse.
 07/04/2015 09:28:27 AM · #180
Originally posted by posthumous:


And to say that my photo would have gotten a high 5 in any other challenge would be to blow smoke out of your arse.


True. But you have to hope that people weren't voting blindly. It is possible that they saw this was yours, looked again and said yes I see something I like in your photo. Bump. In other challenges they may not give a second glance (or worse, may never look at all). Hence the lower score. I think the challenge was a success. Except the lack of titles.

Edit to add that I do enjoy, after voting 100% and doing some commenting on a regular anonymous challenge, going back after the challenge is over to see who did what.

So my end thought is: I believe commenting and second (or more) views are more likely to raise scores than anything else.

Message edited by author 2015-07-04 09:55:28.
 07/04/2015 09:53:24 AM · #181
So "they" voted for the man and not the image.

It's a travesty!
 07/04/2015 09:56:12 AM · #182
Originally posted by Tiny:
So "they" voted for the man and not the image.

It's a travesty!


And "I" say they might not have! Who knows?
 07/04/2015 10:02:27 AM · #183
Originally posted by posthumous:
I'm not going to keep arguing the point unless there is a serious discussion to remove anonymity from the challenges.

This challenge was fun as an exception, but as soon as I started voting I knew viscerally that this would not be a good idea as a rule.

It goes beyond popularity. It's also about cliques and social obligations, group dynamics, etc etc etc.

And to say that my photo would have gotten a high 5 in any other challenge would be to blow smoke out of your arse.


any blow smoke out of your arse challenge should be done without anonymity. we can pick well known arses out by now, on the whole.
 07/04/2015 10:16:32 AM · #184
It was hard to have it not be a popularity contest.

There was one person to whom I gave a 5 and I really wanted to give a 10, I just didn't care for the photo.

There were a couple of people that I really would have liked to have given low scores, but couldn't, because the photos were good.

I can look at an Ansel Adams and decide what I like and don't like. I can look at a Picasso and decide what I like and don't like. Why do people assume that we can't look at a friend's (or not so friendly's) photo and not have an honest opinion?

Still say it was one of the most enjoyable challenges in a while. And I learned more about many people that I didn't know well -- not just by the photos, but by the comments left on them, views from people who knew them better than I.

Thanks to all of the people who took the time to comment.
 07/04/2015 10:29:17 AM · #185
As a corollary to this contest - if we ever do this again, then how about having votes given also be out in the open.
No anonymous submissions? No anonymous voting.
Perhaps that would even the proverbial playing field.
 07/04/2015 10:33:20 AM · #186
Originally posted by sfalice:
As a corollary to this contest - if we ever do this again, then how about having votes given also be out in the open.
No anonymous submissions? No anonymous voting.
Perhaps that would even the proverbial playing field.


Great idea. I would enjoy that exercise. But the people who don't vote probably would not.
 07/04/2015 11:05:48 AM · #187
I didn't enter, vote in or look at this challenge. In this internet reality we are conditioned to project our unrealistic selves in the hope of being accepted, this ideal cyber self is in total conflict with our inner creativity and hinders it at every corner, we all wear masks but let's not like someone else's because it fits and feels secure and comfy, let's like someone else's because it helps us see what's beyond our own. This challenge was all about keeping up with the joneses and the power of like, a useless feel good thing that unfortunately is a microcosmic projection of the direction this site is taking, let's not rush into this blindly again.
 07/04/2015 11:18:48 AM · #188
Originally posted by jagar:
I didn't enter, vote in or look at this challenge. In this internet reality we are conditioned to project our unrealistic selves in the hope of being accepted, this ideal cyber self is in total conflict with our inner creativity and hinders it at every corner, we all wear masks but let's not like someone else's because it fits and feels secure and comfy, let's like someone else's because it helps us see what's beyond our own. This challenge was all about keeping up with the joneses and the power of like, a useless feel good thing that unfortunately is a microcosmic projection of the direction this site is taking, let's not rush into this blindly again.


WowÉ that's a surprise. I thought the whole idea of this challenge was to be yourself, and to have a good time being yourself, and to not have to worry about score, but to be able to just feel the joy and have fun with it.

That was my take on it.
 07/04/2015 11:52:17 AM · #189
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by jagar:
I didn't enter, vote in or look at this challenge. In this internet reality we are conditioned to project our unrealistic selves in the hope of being accepted, this ideal cyber self is in total conflict with our inner creativity and hinders it at every corner, we all wear masks but let's not like someone else's because it fits and feels secure and comfy, let's like someone else's because it helps us see what's beyond our own. This challenge was all about keeping up with the joneses and the power of like, a useless feel good thing that unfortunately is a microcosmic projection of the direction this site is taking, let's not rush into this blindly again.


WowÉ that's a surprise. I thought the whole idea of this challenge was to be yourself, and to have a good time being yourself, and to not have to worry about score, but to be able to just feel the joy and have fun with it.

That was my take on it.


That is what I did. :). Sure, on occasion I can be better than my usual photographic self, but for this challenge I managed to stay true to me.
 07/04/2015 11:55:01 AM · #190
Originally posted by jagar:
I didn't enter, vote in or look at this challenge. In this internet reality we are conditioned to project our unrealistic selves in the hope of being accepted, this ideal cyber self is in total conflict with our inner creativity and hinders it at every corner, we all wear masks but let's not like someone else's because it fits and feels secure and comfy, let's like someone else's because it helps us see what's beyond our own. This challenge was all about keeping up with the joneses and the power of like, a useless feel good thing that unfortunately is a microcosmic projection of the direction this site is taking, let's not rush into this blindly again.


I'm surprised as well. While I hear what you're saying, I'm not sure this challenge was any different from any other for those who want to be accepted. I just entered my own picture from that week and called it myself. Commenting was actually more fun than usual because (at least in some cases) you could address your message. For those who use this site to look at others and aspire themselves to be somebody they're not, oh well. We can't change that But you? I don't know you personally, but I hope I know enough that I can say you're not one of those people. I love most of your photographs (not all) and hope, whether they're posted here or wherever they are, that you are enjoying what you do.
 07/04/2015 12:13:02 PM · #191
I believe my score got something similar to what it would have got in any old Free Study. Perhaps because it didn't need my name on it for it to be recognisable.

As for my votes, I voted 100% and believe that I was influenced not at all by the names attached to the images.
 07/04/2015 12:42:19 PM · #192
Originally posted by sfalice:
As a corollary to this contest - if we ever do this again, then how about having votes given also be out in the open.
No anonymous submissions? No anonymous voting.
Perhaps that would even the proverbial playing field.

Ummm - all that would do is show who "likes" who. We have Facebook for that don't we?
 07/04/2015 02:53:30 PM · #193
Jagar is right... I admit... I am trying to be a painter artist, copying old film photographers but I should be doing only this...



...with my cellphone, which was designed to do just that :-/

I am just a big copier who wants to be something else other than myself :-(

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(While sarcasm added, not intended to attack Jagar, but just having fun. He is my friend... So I conceder)
 07/04/2015 05:04:20 PM · #194
Originally posted by Paul:
I believe my score got something similar to what it would have got in any old Free Study. Perhaps because it didn't need my name on it for it to be recognisable.

As for my votes, I voted 100% and believe that I was influenced not at all by the names attached to the images.


lol
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