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06/30/2015 12:45:42 AM · #51 |
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
..btw, if you really have Instagram photos like my samples, please do post. Love to see others work (sorry... others snapshots) |
I wasn't suggesting they are snapshots Leo. They are not, and nor are thousands of similar pictures on Instagram and other photo sharing sites. They are faux art. That is, visually arresting and competently (if generically) processed examples of too much photography and not enough photograph: many people produce similar pictures despite the handicap of using much more sophisticated and expensive equipment, as the DPC front page attests with depressing regularity.
The problem for me is that the pictures are primarily just exercises in photography. Very accomplished photography, I acknowledge that. Any of them could win a ribbon on DPC. But what you asked was what kind of art they are, and in my view the answer is faux art.
I'm sorry if my views seem harsh Leo. But you can take consolation in the fact that most people don't share them.
And for what it's worth, I love snapshots.
Message edited by author 2015-06-30 04:14:28. |
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06/30/2015 02:32:36 AM · #52 |
| Important question...fozart or faaart? |
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06/30/2015 07:12:48 AM · #53 |
Conclusion:
Yes, people do change their minds after they find out about the process.
No, it doesn't mean digitally edited photos have less values... just not as much as older, more respected styles of photography.
My suggestion... always keep in mind, it really is not the equipment, but the photographer's perspective what makes a good photography. Although, forcing good photos with extra process could damage their value... value as in photographic value, not cash value.
As a personal note, I will be keep editing my photos as usual... respectfully, when I see fit. I will call my work "iPhone PhotoArt" instead of "FineArt" as suggested by most, which made more sense.
Thank you all. |
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06/30/2015 08:12:55 AM · #54 |
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
Conclusion:
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As a personal note, I will be keep editing my photos as usual... respectfully, when I see fit. I will call my work "iPhone PhotoArt" instead of "FineArt" as suggested by most, which made more sense.
Thank you all. |
Leo, that makes perfect sense to me and regardless of whether the images are for yourself or to sell (as has been said) shoot for yourself and you will do well. I have a feeling some people may have felt 'Fine Art' to be a little pretentious?
Oh, and I remember following your work on FB when your were printing and framing your work on a budget for the Gallery, some here might want to see your frame making skills? |
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06/30/2015 11:35:44 AM · #55 |
Originally posted by Ecce_Signum:
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
Conclusion:
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As a personal note, I will be keep editing my photos as usual... respectfully, when I see fit. I will call my work "iPhone PhotoArt" instead of "FineArt" as suggested by most, which made more sense.
Thank you all. |
Leo, that makes perfect sense to me and regardless of whether the images are for yourself or to sell (as has been said) shoot for yourself and you will do well. I have a feeling some people may have felt 'Fine Art' to be a little pretentious?
Oh, and I remember following your work on FB when your were printing and framing your work on a budget for the Gallery, some here might want to see your frame making skills? |
Good idea... I will post them here with different thread subject soon :) |
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06/30/2015 01:37:17 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
Let's not sidetrack...
I am asking, if you value process more than end-results. Because, if you do not know a photo done by digital process or by an older styles such pinhole camera, wet-plate or polaroid, would your feeling towards that photo change after find out the method?
I uploaded the pencil drawing as a sample. Most people who wouldn't know the difference at first, most likely value the photo (end-result) more after finding out it was done by hand (the process). |
The problem in this discussion is that you seem to be somehow blind to the fact that the end results are absolutely NOT the same, not by a mile.
If they were, I'd still have a little bit of preference for the artisanship needed to do it the 'hard' way, but I've yet to see a digital filter that delivers great impasto on a print. |
So, you are telling me, if I really can't find a way to take film photos or other older styles, but able to create stunning pictures using my perspective ability, processing skills, my artwork worth always less than if I did use the other methods?
Is that what you are saying? Because if that's what you are saying, you are also prejudging way too many people, even without seen their work. |
Not quite, what I'm saying is that process matters. Sometimes a little, sometimes a great deal. I have a bottle of whiskey that took over 50 years to craft, beleive me when I tell you that to my tastes there are better tasting whiskeys in my collection, but I absolutely treasure that one because of what it took to craft it. (and it is, in fact, quite amazing, and shows its age and careful craftsmanship).
Surely you understand? Another example is Burger King vs. A good steak house. Both are beef, but there's a reason a burger costs $2 while a steak costs 50. Both are delicious, but process matters. |
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06/30/2015 02:16:15 PM · #57 |
One day, many many years ago... when I lived in NJ, something happened that made me wonder about people and how they react about situations similar what I asked here.
I didn't have a car, only a bicycle where I went to a flee market to work about two miles away. It was a very cold, dark cloudy morning. I was riding to work. At home, I just built myself a pair of speakers, couple of large cones and a couple of tweeters... It needed something outside to cover with or painted. Anyways, I saw these two wooden panels, very nice texture, lying on the street, next to carlanes. They were large enough just to do the job for my speakers. They were very clean, assumed fell from a pickup truck carrying those things... I put my bike aside, took those two pannels, try to lift one to put next to my bike... Someone was just walking by, tried to help me out, lift the other panel, and I happened to say "thanks, I can't believe I just found them on the street"! As soon as I said that, the guy just throw the panel back to street, looked at me like I am a crazy man and just walked away.
And you know the responses I've got from visitors came to my iPhone gallery a few months ago... As soon as they found out those images came out of an iPhone, not only their look changed, like I am some kind of retard, they just walked out quick without eye contact. But before I told them, they were making very nice comments and enjoying the pictures.
So, this post was not about comparing real Rolex vs, fake one; not steak vs Burger King, not even about undermining film process vs digital process but understanding the feelings, photographic values of a picture, before and after you know how it was done. Nothing else.
I think most readers of this thread probably not even checking the original post, or read the other posts I responded to.
... or I just wasn't more clear to explain it.
Edit...
If you don't know my work, take a look at these two images... Again, if you do not know my work, which one you think is mine? Even if you guess, value them separately as photo artwork, individually without thinking one of them taken and processed in iPhone...
Message edited by author 2015-06-30 14:34:50. |
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06/30/2015 03:12:07 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
If you don't know my work, take a look at these two images... Again, if you do not know my work, which one you think is mine? Even if you guess, value them separately as photo artwork, individually without thinking one of them taken and processed in iPhone...
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I'd KNOW that the first was yours, as your iPhone cannot do IR photography. As well as the (forgive me for saying so Leo) gimmicky filter used which gives it a strange texture. |
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06/30/2015 03:18:18 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by Cory:
... As well as the (forgive me for saying so Leo) gimmicky filter used which gives it a strange texture. |
I know, I wanted to give a photo on fabric style feeling with that one. I used that as a sample because pretty much matched with the other image I found on the internet. |
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06/30/2015 06:28:46 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
No sir, it definitely is NOT selling. It is all about (for me) devaluing a photo, especially something very similar to a film, stained old, textured or done with painting-like editing digitally. I am keep saying this, "feeling" of the value, not dollar value.
Again, you look at an image, like it a lot, I mean A LOT, and ask "who did this" or "who's the photographer" assuming you will hear someone that you know... some artist or some photographer... but when you realize it was done by a phone, (or even a point and shoot camera) and editing tools used to create it, such as iPhone apps or PhotoShop... It's like a cold shower! disappointment hits and you just try your best to walkaway.
That's what I am trying to find out, if I was the only one thinking this way... aparently, I am at this point! |
If I see something I really like, then I really like it no matter how it was done. The exception being, if it is a photo of another's photo. I admit to being more impressed upon hearing how the work was created, if it is harder to achieve. When I say this, what I mean is, if the image was a happy accident of standard Topaz presets I am not as impressed as when the individual creates the final work from an original vision in their mind. I do not like the image any less. I do not suddenly think it is worthless. But I appreciate the artist's effort as well.
So no, to answer your question, I would not walk away just because it was done on a camera phone. I might even be a little extra impressed that you did something amazing, with a tool many think unsuited for such fine work. |
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