| Author | Thread |
|
|
07/08/2015 05:47:13 AM · #1 |
That I will NOT be giving any critic on photos anymore, and the reason is bc I've noticed that if I do, even if it's mixed in with praise, like the sandwich approach, peeps on here don't seem to like it...and how do I know that, well it's bc I noticed they will not tick the boxes.
So yeah if all you want is glowing praise from people and don't want to learn, then continue ticking the boxes that you only like, and see what happens.
Thanks for stopping by. |
|
|
|
07/08/2015 06:29:25 AM · #2 |
I came here looking for honest critiques and so I value criticism when it's given - with or without any associated praise.
I would say that the very large portion of my comments deal with what I didn't like about a photograph and how it might have been improved. If it's a style thing I don't, but the execution is fine, I generally won't leave anything. For me, if I see something I like, or more specifically would have REALLY liked, had something been done differently, that's when I take the time to leave a comment. If they don't bother to tick the box, regardless if it's because they don't agree or can't be bothered, no skin off my back.
Critical comments, whether made or received by me, have led to some meaningful and educational exchanges with other photographers here for me - far more than any lavishing of praise ever has. I for one value that input and would hate to see someone willing to leave that kind of feedback stop simply for the lack of a checked box. Yes, I've also suffered the occasional verbal barrage when my words were not received in the spirit in which they were given, but hey, we all have our days/weeks/lives, so I chalk that up to immaturity - momentary or otherwise - and move on.
What I'm saying is that I've appreciated the comments you've left me, and I hope I've checked the boxes when you have (my apologies if I didn't for whatever reason). I'd encourage you to just shake it off and keep on doing it. I like to see that there are other people actually thinking about the shots and not just looking for desktop wallpaper. |
|
|
|
07/08/2015 07:03:23 AM · #3 |
Originally posted by Neat:
That I will NOT be giving any critic on photos anymore, and the reason is bc I've noticed that if I do, even if it's mixed in with praise, like the sandwich approach, peeps on here don't seem to like it...and how do I know that, well it's bc I noticed they will not tick the boxes.
So yeah if all you want is glowing praise from people and don't want to learn, then continue ticking the boxes that you only like, and see what happens.
Thanks for stopping by. |
If you take the time to compare what percentage of comments made on your images are "Helpful" to those that where you ticked off the "Helpful" box you will notice a whopping 5% different in your favour.
When you consider that the ratio of comments you received is something like 61% greater than what you doled out, that might explain the difference between the two.
Always nice to have people recognize one's comments, but you should appreciate the fact that only a paltry percentage failed to tick off the box in question.
Best you have a nice sleep, mull the matter over and re-consider your views in this matter since to do so would, IMHO benefit all concerned.
Ray |
|
|
|
07/08/2015 07:30:36 AM · #4 |
you will refuse to leave feedback because someone didn't check a stupid little box?
get over yourself.
Message edited by author 2015-07-08 07:32:32. |
|
|
|
07/08/2015 08:25:08 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by Neat:
That I will NOT be giving any critic on photos anymore, and the reason is bc I've noticed that if I do, even if it's mixed in with praise, like the sandwich approach, peeps on here don't seem to like it...and how do I know that, well it's bc I noticed they will not tick the boxes.
So yeah if all you want is glowing praise from people and don't want to learn, then continue ticking the boxes that you only like, and see what happens.
Thanks for stopping by. |
If you take the time to compare what percentage of comments made on your images are "Helpful" to those that where you ticked off the "Helpful" box you will notice a whopping 5% different in your favour.
When you consider that the ratio of comments you received is something like 61% greater than what you doled out, that might explain the difference between the two.
Always nice to have people recognize one's comments, but you should appreciate the fact that only a paltry percentage failed to tick off the box in question.
Best you have a nice sleep, mull the matter over and re-consider your views in this matter since to do so would, IMHO benefit all concerned.
Ray |
I will however state if I feel something is DNMC though, even if it's a great photo. |
|
|
|
07/08/2015 08:28:45 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by Neat:
I will however state if I feel something is DNMC though, even if it's a great photo. |
I'll make sure to mark those as helpful. |
|
|
|
07/08/2015 08:43:11 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
If you take the time to compare what percentage of comments made on your images are "Helpful" to those that where you ticked off the "Helpful" box you will notice a whopping 5% different in your favour.
When you consider that the ratio of comments you received is something like 61% greater than what you doled out, that might explain the difference between the two.
|
Only because I was told the same thing once, much to my surprise, I feel the need to poke at you for this. Your Comment Received count includes comments you've made in response to comments made on your image. Your Helpful count does not take that into consideration.
If you look at my numbers it appears that I've left 14% of my commenters hanging. And while that's 4 points better than what I get in return, if you were to eliminate my own comments (which I do find helpful, btw, I just cannot mark them as such), my percentage for acknowledging posts goes to 99%. If you do the same filtering on Neat's profile you'll see that this is largely the case with her unmarked comments. And of those few left by others most are rather old, so if there was a pattern of behavior it has changed.
Numbers lie. Just look at the scores some times. ;)
|
|
|
|
07/08/2015 08:46:44 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by Neat:
I will however state if I feel something is DNMC though, even if it's a great photo. |
I'll make sure to mark those as helpful. |
I think those four letters, DNMC, only aggravate people more when they read it. Some know they have a DMNC or a shoehorn but there are plenty that genuinly don't know and think in there brain that they fit the challange.
Typing DMNC is not constructive at all. Instead of writing DMNC why not explain why without typing the letter?
Just a thought |
|
|
|
07/08/2015 08:48:17 AM · #9 |
I've never marked any comments as helpful, of course as far as i know, she's never commented on any of my images :\
i can't stroke her ego if she doesn't stroke mine. |
|
|
|
07/08/2015 08:59:24 AM · #10 |
Good praise or not, comments are comments I always enjoy getting them, especially if they see something in my photos which I didn't see or knew and its only those comments that I know why an image is scoring the way it is.
When I make comments I could care less if someone check marks it off. It is not like I go check who marked things helpful and who didn't I really don't have time to check who checks those boxes and who doesn't.
Who has that kind of time...
Saying "Oooooo pretty" really doesn't constitute a helpful mark.. I mark all mine off to let that person know I appreciate their time and feedback, for me it is a "thank you courtesy" for taking time in stopping to comment on the images. Its not like we have a like or dislike like facebook whether we like what someone said or not. I am sure that is not how others are using that box because now we don't have other feedback options to do that.
I am sure ppl hated a few of my comments here and there, but really, taking it too seriously and refusing to comment anymore because someone doesn't "check" the helpful box, I just clearly don't understand that. I have always appreciated your comments and I still hope that you will reconsider in you making comments. It is a huge quality loss that I see which is one reason I love this site for. Things are being seen where as I don't get this kind of feedback from facebook or other sites I am on. It is why I am here to get them to help improve and get better, or at least try harder and its the commenting push that is needed and really appreciated to keep motivated :-)
Message edited by author 2015-07-08 09:05:22. |
|
|
|
07/08/2015 09:22:38 AM · #11 |
| I've mentioned this before but I'm not overly inclined to give negative criticism on images I score very low. My suggestion to people trying to improve is to read the description and comments on images they like or images that score well. |
|
|
|
07/08/2015 09:28:50 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by tate:
I've mentioned this before but I'm not overly inclined to give negative criticism on images I score very low. My suggestion to people trying to improve is to read the description and comments on images they like or images that score well. |
That's a very excellent suggestion actually. But the main reason I'm not going to give critic anymore is because I feel I might be irritating some people in what I say, so I just don't want to ruffle any feathers, that's all.
Message edited by author 2015-07-08 09:29:48. |
|
|
|
07/08/2015 09:37:50 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by Neat:
I will however state if I feel something is DNMC though, even if it's a great photo. |
I'll make sure to mark those as helpful. |
In reply to what must be a sarcastic reply that actually means that you are not really inclined to mark DNMC as helpful (maybe I perceived it wrong), I will almost always mark a DNMC type comment as helpful. The reason why is because it is not always reality that matters. The perception of the viewer is what matters when it comes to their scoring judgement of the image and I want to understand their perception, for good or for bad.
An example from the Rule of Thirds challenge: Originally posted by SeanPresher:
I'm not sure whether this portrays and qualifies for an entry for this theme? |
I immediately marked that comment as helpful even though I didn't see my entry as DNMC (A previous comment actually said "Perfect Rule of Thirds"). Of course, it didn't hurt that he chose a more tactful way of stating his opinion than using those four letters. I felt that I was pushing it anyway with that entry and to have somebody tell me that they perceived my entry as not meeting the challenge gives me a little more insight than I had before and tells me just how far I can push (shoehorn?) something. That's helpful.
Message edited by author 2015-07-08 09:39:46. |
|
|
|
07/08/2015 09:40:37 AM · #14 |
I have been critiquing a lot lately in the critique club. Yes not everyone checks the box. I have received tons of PM's thanking me for my criticism. Not all of my critiques are good and not all are negative.
|
|
|
|
07/08/2015 10:37:44 AM · #15 |
| Commenters who expect photographers to have a thick skin should be sure they also have that attribute. |
|
|
|
07/08/2015 10:50:18 AM · #16 |
| well there goes my peaceful sleep..... |
|
|
|
07/08/2015 11:12:12 AM · #17 |
Some people mark the box, some don't. I really don't think it has that much to do with whether they find the comment helpful or not. It's more a habit.
I mark the comment helpful 100% of the time, whether it says "Beautiful" or "Not my style" or "Whatever you did to the background in this, it looks awful." For me the box simply indicates that I saw, read, and appreciated that the time was taken to make a comment. No more, no less. And I do deeply appreciate thoughtful, critical comments.
But then I acknowledge comments on FB with at least a like and reply with at least a thank you to every single commenter at FineArtAmerica, too.
However, I don't expect the same from anyone else; they do what they do, I do what I do. And I never ever check back to see whether others do the same for my comments, not here, not at FB, not at FAA (though I may occasionally check back for other reasons such as the answer to a question I've asked in my comment). |
|
|
|
07/08/2015 11:24:30 AM · #18 |
There have only been a few that I have not checked. For instance I had a comment that went like this "?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!". If I have a comment that is good or bad I always acknowledge it and then I use it to improve.
|
|
|
|
07/08/2015 11:48:55 AM · #19 |
Just like voting, there are many reasons why people check, or don't, the box. Some just use it as a way to make sure they've seen all the comments on their image. Some don't even know the box is there.
To make such drastic adjustment to your participation based on this triffling matter seems overly dramatic.
Your perception that you are ticking people off with your comments may also be exaggerated. Unless you are receiving PMs. In that case,they need to be reported, if they are that negative. In addition, start commenting anonymously. All that crap stopped for me when I did.
The last thing this site needs is LESS commenting. |
|
|
|
07/08/2015 12:09:25 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by nam:
For me the box simply indicates that I saw, read, and appreciated that the time was taken to make a comment. No more, no less. And I do deeply appreciate thoughtful, critical comments.
|
Well said Nikki. |
|
|
|
07/08/2015 12:17:37 PM · #21 |
I have 2,780 comments given not marked as helpful. I'm OK with that. Keep commenting. If you piss people off, that's a good thing. A reaction is far better than nothing at all.
I hate phone typing. If I'm to quit DPC it will be due to phone typing. May quit the whole interweb thing entirely.
Message edited by author 2015-07-08 12:19:41. |
|
|
|
07/08/2015 12:22:24 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by Neat:
Originally posted by tate:
I've mentioned this before but I'm not overly inclined to give negative criticism on images I score very low. My suggestion to people trying to improve is to read the description and comments on images they like or images that score well. |
That's a very excellent suggestion actually. But the main reason I'm not going to give critic anymore is because I feel I might be irritating some people in what I say, so I just don't want to ruffle any feathers, that's all. |
I've looked at your comments for the past month and I don't see any evidence of that at all. When your comments are not marked helpful, neither are anyone else's. That means the photographer hasn't come back to the comments yet or they just never mark comments helpful. |
|
|
|
07/08/2015 02:29:37 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by Neat:
Originally posted by tate:
I've mentioned this before but I'm not overly inclined to give negative criticism on images I score very low. My suggestion to people trying to improve is to read the description and comments on images they like or images that score well. |
That's a very excellent suggestion actually. But the main reason I'm not going to give critic anymore is because I feel I might be irritating some people in what I say, so I just don't want to ruffle any feathers, that's all. |
So, in your attempt to not ruffle feathers you thought, "Hey! I should probably start a thread so that people don't get upset.".
;-) |
|
|
|
07/08/2015 04:18:23 PM · #24 |
oh mellie, don't let your phone poss you iff ;-)
Originally posted by Melethia:
I have 2,780 comments given not marked as helpful. I'm OK with that. Keep commenting. If you piss people off, that's a good thing. A reaction is far better than nothing at all.
I hate phone typing. If I'm to quit DPC it will be due to phone typing. May quit the whole interweb thing entirely. |
|
|
|
|
07/08/2015 06:32:01 PM · #25 |
| I tend to mark the ones that give some critique (good or bad) as helpful. I don't mark the 'nice photo', 'this should ribbon' type of comments. They certainly help my ego, and I do appreciate them, but I don't consider them 'helpful'. |
|
Home -
Challenges -
Community -
League -
Photos -
Cameras -
Lenses -
Learn -
Prints! -
Help -
Terms of Use -
Privacy -
Top ^
DPChallenge, and website content and design, Copyright © 2001-2024 Challenging Technologies, LLC.
All digital photo copyrights belong to the photographers and may not be used without permission.
Current Server Time: 04/16/2024 01:27:42 PM EDT.
