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08/14/2015 10:16:46 AM · #101
Originally posted by atupdate:

Originally posted by jagar:

why not just let rip and name it digital art inspired from photography, no rules, no stress, just fantasy art pure and simple.


And the name of this website is what?

Tim


Well digital art always does really well here, the highest scoring photos are digital art in my opinion, so i'm only suggesting making room for those who'd like to move away from the photographic side of things, If we don't they won't have a place here.
08/14/2015 10:20:56 AM · #102
Originally posted by Bear_Music:


We are entirely open to allowing Gyaban-esque workflows in our challenges if that's what the members want, but we need to have a way to verify and validate them, which we currently cannot do. At the same time, we've heard legitimate complaints from other members that the kind of work they WANT to do, that is relevant to the "real world of photography" as it exists right now, is so subsumed by these fantastical creations that it doesn't have a chance.
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I always have a problem with people saying they do not have a chance against Gyaban. Although it is probably true, the reason is because he has the vision and talent to create powerful works of art that fit the challenge. In sports, we don't say the best can't play because others can't beat them. Maybe the goal should be to do one's best and create/shoot something you are proud of, regardless of the final placement.
08/14/2015 10:38:43 AM · #103
Christophe was outclassing most people here before expert even become a regular item. his work was barely "photographic in nature" at that time but the naysayers had no argument when he built his sets and shot it all in one frame. his work all of a sudden became digital art when they could begin to categorize by what was all in the expert editing ruleset.

I'm just impressed by what some people can dream up here in any ruleset. I'll let others categorize what photography is and what photographers are, they seem to have it all figured out.

08/14/2015 10:41:48 AM · #104
Originally posted by Mike:

Christophe was outclassing most people here before expert even become a regular item. his work was barely "photographic in nature" at that time but the naysayers had no argument when he built his sets and shot it all in one frame. his work all of a sudden became digital art when they could begin to categorize by what was all in the expert editing ruleset.

I'm just impressed by what some people can dream up here in any ruleset. I'll let others categorize what photography is and what photographers are, they seem to have it all figured out.


I will say that as impressed as I am with his work in general, the 'real' photography he does absolutely blows me away once in a while.
08/14/2015 10:48:27 AM · #105
Originally posted by Cory:

Originally posted by Mike:

Christophe was outclassing most people here before expert even become a regular item. his work was barely "photographic in nature" at that time but the naysayers had no argument when he built his sets and shot it all in one frame. his work all of a sudden became digital art when they could begin to categorize by what was all in the expert editing ruleset.

I'm just impressed by what some people can dream up here in any ruleset. I'll let others categorize what photography is and what photographers are, they seem to have it all figured out.


I will say that as impressed as I am with his work in general, the 'real' photography he does absolutely blows me away once in a while.


only once and a while?

ETA, he is the poster child for what can be accomplished in any rule set if you really put in the effort. the more i think about it, he's graduated into getting his own ruleset, let him decide what his restrictions should be, he clearly doesn't need anyone else to tell him.

Message edited by author 2015-08-14 10:50:55.
08/14/2015 10:59:41 AM · #106
Someone needs to dream up a rule-set that makes it more difficult for him and easier for the rest of us ...
Get workin' on that ;)

Originally posted by Mike:



ETA, he is the poster child for what can be accomplished in any rule set if you really put in the effort. the more i think about it, he's graduated into getting his own ruleset, let him decide what his restrictions should be, he clearly doesn't need anyone else to tell him.
08/14/2015 11:41:29 AM · #107
Originally posted by Mike:

he's graduated into getting his own ruleset


All the compliments about my stuff in this thread are very flattering, you are all too kind. I am really delighted when my work trigger strong reactions (especially when they are positive!), so I thank you all very much.

That being said, I am not leading any sort of campaign here. I wanted to explain why and how I felt the need for my own workflow to evolve, while complying with DPC rules (well, I was mistaken about that apparently). I do realize that my approach to photography is not the usual one, and I do understand why passionate photographers can hate it. Let's be honest, I do suck at many photographic fields: there are many photos that I love (including DPC ones), that I can only look at, without any hope for me to create something half as interesting. The whole
instantaneity of photography is way beyond my abilities. I know, I've tried: it was pathetic. So it is easy to understand why some of those artists consider me as a hack (or any other word of their choice).

I remember that a few weeks ago, after some complains about 'expert editing' in the forums, I answered something like 'if you hate it, feel free to avoid it completely and let those who are interested having fun' (not literally, but it was the overall meaning). Symmetrically, if DPC decides that it should exclusively focus on things I'm not going to do, well, so be it. There is no point in spoiling a whole party just to suit a few weirdos sitting in the back.
08/14/2015 12:19:56 PM · #108
I respect what you say Christophe, you already know that I'm no big fan of the expert rule set and the images it produces, it's easy for me though just to avoid that side of things and I do. I do think though that DPC should cater for all tastes and it certainly should cater for the highest scoring types of images like the ones you produce.
08/14/2015 02:27:41 PM · #109
The Gyaban Mexpert Ruleset - Same rules as expert, unless your username is gyaban, then it's minimal.

Originally posted by tate:

Someone needs to dream up a rule-set that makes it more difficult for him and easier for the rest of us ...
Get workin' on that ;)

Originally posted by Mike:



ETA, he is the poster child for what can be accomplished in any rule set if you really put in the effort. the more i think about it, he's graduated into getting his own ruleset, let him decide what his restrictions should be, he clearly doesn't need anyone else to tell him.
08/14/2015 04:04:18 PM · #110
Originally posted by FromDaRock:

The Gyaban Mexpert Ruleset - Same rules as expert, unless your username is gyaban, then it's minimal.

Originally posted by tate:

Someone needs to dream up a rule-set that makes it more difficult for him and easier for the rest of us ...
Get workin' on that ;)

Originally posted by Mike:



ETA, he is the poster child for what can be accomplished in any rule set if you really put in the effort. the more i think about it, he's graduated into getting his own ruleset, let him decide what his restrictions should be, he clearly doesn't need anyone else to tell him.


And he'd still best us. :)
08/14/2015 10:18:09 PM · #111
Originally posted by vawendy:

Originally posted by FromDaRock:

The Gyaban Mexpert Ruleset - Same rules as expert, unless your username is gyaban, then it's minimal.

Originally posted by tate:

Someone needs to dream up a rule-set that makes it more difficult for him and easier for the rest of us ...
Get workin' on that ;)

Originally posted by Mike:



ETA, he is the poster child for what can be accomplished in any rule set if you really put in the effort. the more i think about it, he's graduated into getting his own ruleset, let him decide what his restrictions should be, he clearly doesn't need anyone else to tell him.


And he'd still best us. :)


+1 (Still in awe of all you do....you too, Wendy) :)
08/14/2015 11:04:06 PM · #112
Been watching this thread for awhile, and figured I'd weigh in... Truth is, I've always come to DPC to learn. So, let's reflect...

Here was my first Expert turd... and here was my latest expert entry...

So I've come along way with editing... and I owe a lot of that to the expert challenges and Gyaban, who has been a great inspiration for me to push the envelope...

Having said that, Here is the basic problem with the editing options... There's always ways around the rules. With my Shark cage entry, I built the entire background in photoshop, so it's not photographic at all (except for the rocks)... However, I took a shot with the lens cap on (ergo EXIF data) then painted it blue, used a gradient and blah blah blah... My point is... Since I used a photograph, does that make it photographic for you??? Of course not, because it was built entirely in photoshop but remember, the expert rules say you must use a photo (CHECK!) and you can use a full range of editing tools (CHECK!)...

The same problem is going to come up in the Minimal editing ruleset, when someone wins a challenge using a cell phone camera app with effects built into the app... Because after all, you can use "Any feature of your camera while photographing your entry..." My iPhone does a fantastic job of simulating an HDR effect, without combining multiple exposures... Welp, it's an effect built into the camera, so... Legal right??? but it clearly violates the spirit of the Minimal editing ruleset...

Brings me to my final point... For what it's worth, and I know very little :) , but, I'm completely against the DQ given to Gyaban... Particularly because he approached the SC about this and was given the Green light... And I quote, "Unfortunately, we misunderstood what Christophe was planning to do..." You misunderstood it, so it's a you thing... Why should he be punished? He outlined his plan, was validated on a previous challenge entry, and after using it again is being DQ'ed??? Sorry, but to be approached about it, have it validated on a previous entry, then in retrospect say, "Oh crap, we shouldn't be letting him do that" and DQ his latest entry, is flat out WRONG... The correct way to go about it is, to bar the software (and similar software) from future challenges with the warning that if it's used, will result in an automatic DQ... Just my thoughts, I know the SC has a tough job and I respect them greatly, I just don't agree with this ruling...

Message edited by author 2015-08-14 23:07:46.
08/15/2015 07:39:59 AM · #113
The whole DQ debacle notwithstanding, the great thing about Christophe is the photography within the digital art. Take away that photography completely,or almost completely,and perhaps it isn't photography any longer. Perhaps its a new category.

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