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08/24/2015 08:23:25 AM · #1 |
I delayed bringing this up because I didn't want to sound like I was trying to "influence" voters while the challenge was still active.
When I was voting / viewing the entries for Snapshot I thought that many of them were quite "processed". I thought the idea behind a snapshot was, well, a snapshot (taken without a lot of thought behind it, and certainly not processed much beyond the original capture).
Not trying to pick on David ( dtremain), but for example these that he posted in the Posthumous thread ... I found a couple of them to be more than a snapshot.
Thoughts ... comments?
ETA - link to Posthumous thread.
Message edited by author 2015-08-24 08:24:18. |
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08/24/2015 08:42:19 AM · #2 |
| IMO snapshots can be processed, even heavily processed. What I noticed is that there was plenty of "street shots". And in my view they can be quite far from a snapshot. But maybe it's a problem of language for me. |
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08/24/2015 08:53:11 AM · #3 |
I'm thinking there were many who struggled with this definition. Whether shooting, processing, or voting.
For me the main criteria would be an unplanned, unposed image. And my processing was pretty limited - imperfections kept in the spirit of being snappy. This could be a good challenge for Minimal editing next time.
Message edited by author 2015-08-24 09:14:49. |
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08/24/2015 09:02:52 AM · #4 |
| Minimal or basic editing would have produced more snapshots. Advanced editing made this more like a free study. I enjoyed the challenge either way. |
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08/24/2015 09:19:49 AM · #5 |
| For me, "snapshot" means taking a photo without doing any setup or manipulation of the items in the shot. It does not mean that the capture cannot be processed. |
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08/24/2015 09:20:17 AM · #6 |
| Minimal was suggested in the original challenge thread. |
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08/24/2015 09:45:48 AM · #7 |
Oddly enough, when people around here see an editing restriction, such as mimimal, they take it as a dare to "fool the viewer" - "hey guys, look what i did with minimal, its all legal, just my trickiness" but here it would have worked.
I dont pretend to know much about the dictionary definition of photography art forms, but to me, the snapshot is an improvisational, spontaneous capture, as well as a style of processing. I see it as being a true test of a photographers abilty to make the scene come alive in its stillness, to tell a story by seeing it, not setting it up. Of course street photographers will be good at this, it is what they do! |
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08/24/2015 09:47:23 AM · #8 |
| Elaine's definition is the one I was working on - a photograph taken by happenstance, taken where you are of what was there. Like Alexkc, I am also of the idea that Street Shots are uniquely different from snapshots and a genre to themselves, even though the "captured instant" is a common element. I would have expected Minimal when I saw the category as I too think that "snapshot" denotes straight out of camera. I operated within that spirit even if I did apply minor edits and cropping in Lightroom. Obvious processing impacted my vote, as did subject matter that looked obviously staged or "street". Regardless, I enjoyed the challenge and the shots. |
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08/24/2015 09:50:44 AM · #9 |
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Snapshot: abandon any preconceived ideas, expectations, abandon any notion of control. Make yourself the most perfect photographer possible. Practice constantly. Then when it's time to get some pictures go with what you got & get what's there.
Sometimes, with perfect presence in the moment, it's possible to capture a snapshot that surpasses expectations.
So yes, if the photographer entered it in a Snapshot challenge then it's a snapshot. It's not productive or even polite to challenge or question the photographer's state of mind at the instant the shutter released.
Likewise it's useful to take the snapshot mindset into post processing. Let go of expectations. Make decisions based on what's there. Go with what you got. Post process until it looks done.
I do this all the time. Only I call them SAPshots. Subjective Abstract Photoreality. It's why I don't have any ambition or expectation of making money with my photography.
Message edited by author 2015-08-24 09:58:19. |
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08/24/2015 10:04:09 AM · #10 |
For fun I "Googled" the definition of snapshot photography ... it pretty much matched up to what I had in mind regarding the type of photos for the Snapshot challenge.
"A snapshot is popularly defined as a photograph that is "shot" spontaneously and quickly, most often without artistic or journalistic intent. Snapshots are commonly considered to be technically "imperfect" or amateurish—out of focus or poorly framed or composed."
It's funny, I've had shots submitted here for challenges that were sometimes called a "snapshot" (rather than an artistic or challenge-worthy entry for that challenge). LOL
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08/24/2015 10:28:05 AM · #11 |
| I was looking for joie de vivre. Surely picked mine with that in mind. |
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08/24/2015 12:12:19 PM · #12 |
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08/25/2015 12:19:37 PM · #13 |
| My 4th place looks like a strong edit but wasn't. |
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08/25/2015 01:20:51 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by Paul:
My 4th place looks like a strong edit but wasn't. |
I can back him up on that. Difficult to distinguish from the original at first glance. Marvelous light. Sorta the definition of a snapshot, actually; "Wow, that's awesome light! SNAP!" :-) |
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08/25/2015 09:01:55 PM · #15 |
| I still don't understand why mine came in last....it's Sooooo snappy...;-) |
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08/25/2015 09:12:56 PM · #16 |
| For me, the bit that tripped me up was the art bit. In the last hour before submission I decided that the invitation was to turn what had been a snapshot into something more artistic. So then I went and processed it in a way that was obviously not in line with other people's interpretation. Just shows that we all see, or read, differently. |
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08/25/2015 09:16:19 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by jomari:
For me, the bit that tripped me up was the art bit. In the last hour before submission I decided that the invitation was to turn what had been a snapshot into something more artistic. So then I went and processed it in a way that was obviously not in line with other people's interpretation. Just shows that we all see, or read, differently. |
Yep, got to watch those descriptions. They will get you every time - either as an entrant or as a voter. I'm having that problem with Dirty, Filthy, Grubby stuff right now. |
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08/25/2015 09:24:53 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by LoVi:
I still don't understand why mine came in last....it's Sooooo snappy...;-) |
omg, missed that one... |
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08/25/2015 09:57:18 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by LoVi:
I still don't understand why mine came in last....it's Sooooo snappy...;-) |
Amazing. *I* gave it a 9, so my conscience is clean. I wonder if it would have done better had you rotated it? But even so, LAST????? Sheesh. |
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