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11/13/2015 02:43:02 PM · #1
The former second-place shot in the "Texture Overlay" challenge has been DQd for failure to follow the flagged rule and create a texture specifically for this challenge within the challenge time frame. Congratulations to our new ribboner and honorable mention.
11/13/2015 03:15:10 PM · #2
Arg.

I hate DQs... but I understand the need for rules.

11/14/2015 11:08:19 PM · #3
The former third-place shot in the "Texture Overlay" has been DQ'd because the photographer has created a composite, a double-exposure of two prominent elements that have roughly equal weight in the finished composition. While it's a fine piece of work, it doesn't fit into the category "texture overlays" and we have to DQ it.

Congratulations to our new ribboner and honorable mention.
11/15/2015 12:22:43 AM · #4
If the trend goes on I can ribbon... LOL
11/15/2015 01:04:10 AM · #5
That's quite a step. Now you'll have to dq half the challenge, including your own photo.

But I understand the need for rules.

Message edited by author 2015-11-15 01:04:55.
11/15/2015 01:15:45 AM · #6
Originally posted by GeorgesBogaert:

If the trend goes on I can ribbon... LOL


The thought occurred to me:)
11/15/2015 03:38:43 AM · #7
Originally posted by posthumous:

That's quite a step. Now you'll have to dq half the challenge, including your own photo.

But I understand the need for rules.


I don't understand
11/15/2015 04:32:41 AM · #8
After the initial discussions in the appropriate topic I imagined that my photo could be at risk exclusion; I imagined it only for your comments but I was also convinced that it was proper for the rules added.
I know that there is a "texture overlay" but I think it can be inserted in the texture overlay where the jury should be "a little more lenient on how aggressive your texture may be"
The overlap most important concerns guitar case where I used about 90% while the background is equally between the main picture and picture used as texture (the wall is orange in nature).
However I accept the decision inviting the staff to write clearer rules next time.
Thanks to all who have appreciated my "double exposure" :)
11/15/2015 07:16:45 AM · #9
Originally posted by Tiny:

Originally posted by posthumous:

That's quite a step. Now you'll have to dq half the challenge, including your own photo.

But I understand the need for rules.


I don't understand


There's no rule saying you have to understand.
11/15/2015 08:47:25 AM · #10
It is a shame!
At the beginning They create an extra rule to allow an aggressive use of the texture, then They mark an arbitrary line between texture and "double exposure" (let me say, talk about double exposure in this photo is pretty ridiculous). They could make an exception (specially considering the nature of the contest and the fact that They created ambiguity with the extra rule), but no, sorry you are not in the Olympus of the people they could close an eyes for. Sorry Sisto, you're just mortal.

Every day DPC makes a step to become a "place I would not like to stay". I hope this trend stops.
Really sad.
11/15/2015 09:32:47 AM · #11
A "texture" is applied uniformly over the entire image. The flag says the texture may be more aggressive. It does not say that in some carefully defined areas the texture can be made to be 90% of the final image while in the rest of the final image it only "contributes" 50%. At that point it stops being a texture, no matter how "aggressive" or otherwise the texture pattern is.
11/15/2015 10:05:42 AM · #12
DPC is a place I want to stay.
It's fun, great chats, friendly people, almost like close friends.
And last but not least, what a place to learn about photography.
Every challenge is a real challenge.
I think the rules were easy to understand in this challenge.
11/15/2015 10:27:42 AM · #13
There was plenty of discussion up front about this, including specifics about what is and is not a texture-worthy (my word) subject for the second photograph. The rules are clear on what a texture cannot add and none of that changed in the flagged rule. My original photo was an idea very similar to Sisto's, and after the discussion I abandoned it. I love the image, but as I said in my comment I feared this was over the line, so I am by no means surprised.

And for what it's worth, had that image been submitted by anyone else of any place on any mountain of DPC gods, should such a place exist, I believe it would have suffered the same fate. Had it not, I would have been raising it as a question as to why the SC would allow it as a "texture" given the prior discussion. I find them to be very consistent when meting out DQ's, even if I find them to be a little too mum before a challenge. As always they will tell you that if you question the legality of your image you can submit it for review before submission. I've done it on several occasions and have saved myself a pair of potential DQ's.

11/15/2015 10:35:13 AM · #14
Originally posted by GeorgesBogaert:

DPC is a place I want to stay.
It's fun, great chats, friendly people, almost like close friends.
And last but not least, what a place to learn about photography.
Every challenge is a real challenge.
I think the rules were easy to understand in this challenge.


Wow, 3 DQ's in the first 6 Images, easy for sure. And how many DQ images could we have among the others? I'd say half of them. If this means easy I couldn't say the meaning of the word 'easy'. But of course, I'm Italian.
11/15/2015 11:37:44 AM · #15
Since my image got a variety of comments regarding it's texture, I would like to offer it up for validation or at least for discussion. Copyrighted_Image_Reuse_Prohibited_1169352.jpg.

FYI, my interpretation of the word aggressive (in the challenge description) was that the texture should add visual texture to the end result (as in be able to see it), as opposed to simply providing a visual effect.

Copyrighted_Image_Reuse_Prohibited_1170106.jpg original jpeg (shot in art filter mode).

Copyrighted_Image_Reuse_Prohibited_1170108.jpg texture - resized from RAW (shot from inside a bus window that had an advertisement displayed on the outside).

I desatured the textue and placed it over the image, I then moved it around, skewed slightly to get some of the subject's details to shine through.

Flattened the layers and resized.

So is it a texture overlay or a double exposure?

11/15/2015 11:52:41 AM · #16
a double
11/15/2015 11:59:27 AM · #17
Originally posted by Tiny:

a double


Can you elaborate why? The texture is not something I would define as interesting image unto itself. To me, double exposure is two images that both have content.
11/15/2015 12:24:54 PM · #18
In spite of popular belief, SC are also mere mortals who use their subjective skills to make subjective decisions over subjective rules. We are not perfect. We often disagree, because our subjectivity tolerances vary. When we agree on anything, it is mildly miraculous but also means we are reading the results in the same way.

Although essentially, an overlay IS a double exposure, in application they are two different things. As they vary in their application to an image, they become increasingly similar. A mildly applied 2nd image is as much an "overlay" as an aggressively applied overlay is a "double exposure". In our challenges, it is good practice to steer clear of these extremes to avoid the possibility of a DQ.

To this SC, Lyn's image is an "aggressively applied overlay", consisting of an abstract texture.

In Sisto's guitar, The overlay is very clearly a 2nd image, which is further emphasized by the tone differences between the wall and the guitar. This in no way detracts from the beauty of the image, but it does violate the rules.

As Jake noted, if you think you might be pushing it too far, you most likely are. If you have any doubts, send it to SC prior to entering it. Being creative and taking chances and pushing the envelop are how we grow as artists. For better or worse, on DPC, we need to mind the rules as we do so.

Message edited by author 2015-11-15 12:26:59.
11/15/2015 12:55:39 PM · #19
I'm just getting more confused, can you please explain how the current Red Ribbon differs from the latest DQ as (to me) they seem to have been treated the same way.
11/15/2015 01:31:02 PM · #20
So it is essentially a double exposure, a merging of 2 images, but a hierarchical one: primo (the subject) and segundo (the texture), such that segundo could never ever be mistaken for primo. The whip!

Why not have a proper Double Exposure challenge and the rule be that neither image be primo or segundo?
11/15/2015 05:43:30 PM · #21
There are two key MAY/MAY NOT rules that dictate what a texture can and cannot do in an Advanced Edit.

The critical rule for a DQ, as I see it, is covered by, You may not...use ANY editing technique to create new image area, objects or features (such as lens flare or motion) that didn't already exist in your original capture(s).

After that you have, You may...use images that do not meet the source or date requirements as textures in your entry if they function specifically as textures and not to circumvent other rules.

The latter was flagged stating that, a) you must take your own texture image (the cause of one DQ), and b) For this challenge only, we will be a little more lenient on how aggressive your texture may be.

As was discussed, the only difference was how aggressively the texture image could be applied - meaning, the second image has to function as a texture. The other two DQ's were due to this issue (though one had EXIF issues as well). So, if the second image added features and image areas, and would not be considered as something that "functions specifically as a texture" then it would, and should be a DQ. The rules are fairly clear, and any visit to a texture website would give you an idea of what works and what doesn't (though there are some "textures", particular metallic ones, that violate the image feature rule.

11/15/2015 05:50:41 PM · #22
Originally posted by tnun:

So it is essentially a double exposure, a merging of 2 images, but a hierarchical one: primo (the subject) and segundo (the texture), such that segundo could never ever be mistaken for primo. The whip!

Why not have a proper Double Exposure challenge and the rule be that neither image be primo or segundo?


+1 Glad I didn't enter this challenge as the rules seem to go all pear-shaped...even the ones designed to accommodate the challenge itself :-/
11/15/2015 05:54:05 PM · #23
Originally posted by snaffles:

Originally posted by tnun:

So it is essentially a double exposure, a merging of 2 images, but a hierarchical one: primo (the subject) and segundo (the texture), such that segundo could never ever be mistaken for primo. The whip!

Why not have a proper Double Exposure challenge and the rule be that neither image be primo or segundo?


+1 Glad I didn't enter this challenge as the rules seem to go all pear-shaped...even the ones designed to accommodate the challenge itself :-/


For what it's worth, I think the rules were clear for this challenge but I would LOVE a double exposure challenge!!!
11/15/2015 06:03:49 PM · #24
Originally posted by PennyStreet:

For what it's worth, I think the rules were clear for this challenge but I would LOVE a double exposure challenge!!!

+1
11/15/2015 06:15:39 PM · #25
Originally posted by markwiley:

Originally posted by PennyStreet:

For what it's worth, I think the rules were clear for this challenge but I would LOVE a double exposure challenge!!!

+1


FWIW I didn't read the rules, cause stuff like this tends to make me shy away anyhow...giving permission to go nuts with a certain kind of filter just seems to make the final image all that more reliant on post-PS tricks as opposed to actual photographic skill.
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