"Texture Overlay" Results Recalculated X2

Olympus 17mm f/1.8 M.Zuiko

11/16/2015 11:42:05 PM · #51

"For this challenge only, we will be a little more lenient on how aggressive your texture may be."

IMO this statement is what caused the confusion. And the need to DQ.

PennyStreet

Olympus OM-D E-M1

11/17/2015 08:49:16 AM · #52

Originally posted by posthumous:

For the record, I'm in favor of fewer dqs for this poorly understood challenge, not more.

I think it's clear that the description of the challenge was not. And while I agree to fewer DQs, I do think there is a difference between texture and opacity. IMO, Paul and Robert's definitions of texture overlay in the original discussion thread were not the same:(

JakeKurdsjuk

Canon EOS R5

Canon RF 100-500mm F4.5-7.1 L IS USM

11/17/2015 09:05:32 AM · #53

Perhaps the fault lies not in the challenge description or in the discussion that followed, but in the Advanced Editing rule set, where it states...

You May ... use images that do not meet the source or date requirements as textures in your entry if they function specifically as textures and not to circumvent other rules. (my emphasis)

While I cannot find a definition of what a "texture" is specifically in digital photography, Websters defines it as "the feel, appearance, or consistency of a surface or a substance", further adding, "the tactile quality of the surface of a work of art."

I get this. This is easy to understand.

As executed, the great majority of the images in the challenge, mine included, overstepped the boundaries of what is a texture since in these cases it did not alter the appearance of the "surface" of the digital canvas but rather added a transparency through which the image could be viewed (i.e. a double exposure).

Could the SC possibly see fit to clarify the definition of a "texture" in the rule set, even if it's simply a link to Webster?

bohemka

Nikon D700

Sigma 12-24mm f/4.5-5.6 EX Aspherical DG HSM for Nikon

11/17/2015 02:54:24 PM · #54

What's the hubbub all about? Three DQs: Two had exif data problems, one used a mask on the texture (it wasn't applied to the entire image). Seems pretty straight forward. No one was DQ'd because of opacity or what is or is not considered a legitimate texture. Odd thread.

posthumous

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

11/17/2015 05:57:58 PM · #55

Originally posted by bohemka:

one used a mask on the texture (it wasn't applied to the entire image)

Is that a rule for textures?

JakeKurdsjuk

Canon EOS R5

Canon RF 100-500mm F4.5-7.1 L IS USM

11/17/2015 06:39:09 PM · #56

Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by bohemka:
one used a mask on the texture (it wasn't applied to the entire image)

Is that a rule for textures?

The texture has to be applied to the entire image. You can mask the texture to an extent but not entirely. That said, it may have been the blend mode and not a mask on the guitar shot. Regardless the DQ text said nothing about masking, "Photographer has created a composite, a double-exposure of two prominent elements that have roughly equal weight in the finished composition. While it's a fine piece of work, it doesn't fit into the category "texture overlays" and we have to DQ it."

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S21, S21+, S21 Ultra

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

11/17/2015 07:16:43 PM · #57

Originally posted by backdoorhippie:

Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by bohemka:
one used a mask on the texture (it wasn't applied to the entire image)

Is that a rule for textures?

The texture has to be applied to the entire image. You can mask the texture to an extent but not entirely. That said, it may have been the blend mode and not a mask on the guitar shot. Regardless the DQ text said nothing about masking, "Photographer has created a composite, a double-exposure of two prominent elements that have roughly equal weight in the finished composition. While it's a fine piece of work, it doesn't fit into the category "texture overlays" and we have to DQ it."

This is the only mention of "texture" in the rules:

Originally posted by Advanced Rules:

You May: use images that do not meet the source or date requirements as textures in your entry if they function specifically as textures and not to circumvent other rules.

Nothing in there about covering the entire image being required.

JakeKurdsjuk

Canon EOS R5

Canon RF 100-500mm F4.5-7.1 L IS USM

11/17/2015 07:20:51 PM · #58

I'm tired of digging for this thread but we've been through the whole discussion elsewhere about it being applied to the entire image.

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

11/17/2015 07:55:56 PM · #59

Yes, we have. And I enjoy debating as much as anyone.

I always have understood a texture overlay to be applied to the entire image area. The first time I tried it, the result was awful. When blend mode is set to Overlay, I learned next, the result is likeable. I like it for the way it often adds mystery & romance to an image.

For me, texture layering was the first step in learning how to blend image information in layers to get the look I love. It was a side challenge. After a fairly short learning curve, I began a much more enjoyable process of finding what I love, my vision. It's regrettable that I so seldom get a chance to try my luck in a challenge.

Maybe what we need, to settle the dust, is A TEXTURE OVERLAY SIDE CHALLENGE! WOOT!

I started like this...........& ended like this.

Message edited by author 2015-11-17 20:11:35.

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

11/17/2015 08:12:57 PM · #60

Originally posted by pixelpig:

Maybe what we need, to settle the dust, is A TEXTURE OVERLAY SIDE CHALLENGE! WOOT!

You could revive one of these threads ... :-)

Sigma 85mm f/1.4 for Canon

11/17/2015 08:19:58 PM · #61

Well I thought about that, but some of those people are no longer active here.

RKT

Canon EOS-60D

11/17/2015 08:24:40 PM · #62

Originally posted by pixelpig:

Well I thought about that, but some of those people are no longer active here.

Start a new one, those were fun and we're long overdue for a new one.

bohemka

Nikon D700

Sigma 12-24mm f/4.5-5.6 EX Aspherical DG HSM for Nikon

11/18/2015 11:11:40 AM · #63

Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by bohemka:
one used a mask on the texture (it wasn't applied to the entire image)

Is that a rule for textures?

I thought it was. I guess not. I should know better than to chime in on a topic for which I've done zero research and have no knowledge or experience, but half-assery has gotten me this far and it's too late to change.

11/18/2015 11:46:36 AM · #64

Originally posted by bohemka:

Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by bohemka:
one used a mask on the texture (it wasn't applied to the entire image)

Is that a rule for textures?

I thought it was. I guess not. I should know better than to chime in on a topic for which I've done zero research and have no knowledge or experience, but half-assery has gotten me this far and it's too late to change.

I don't see how it makes any sense to rule out masking since the blending mode often has much the same effect of making the texture invisible in certain areas.

sfalice

Canon PowerShot SX60 HS

11/18/2015 11:46:43 AM · #65

Originally posted by bohemka:

. I should know better than to chime in on a topic for which I've done zero research and have no knowledge or experience, but half-assery has gotten me this far and it's too late to change.

And that remark just put you on my "favorite photographers" list!