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12/07/2015 10:54:30 AM · #26 |
1. There's no "threat of DQ" in this challenge.
2. For a long time there has been discussion about how sometimes it's a negative thing to have nitpicking analysis of the topic before entry, how it tends to stifle creativity. This "polite request" is response to that.
3. It's not uncommon for parts of a proposed challenge to be modified by SC before it gets posted up. It wasn't Posthumous that did it, it was me. Don't dump on him, he was just expressing an opinion, like the rest of you are now :-)
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12/07/2015 11:32:37 AM · #27 |
| yeah, well I don't feel soothed. I don't want to say anything I'll regret later, so I'm putting this thread on Ignore. That's an option for when you have no interest in the thread. You Ignore it. You don't "strongly discourage" everyone you disagree with from commenting. Duh. |
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12/07/2015 12:00:43 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by tate:
to be fair, there is no flag on this one.
And that was not the SC's idea (to not allow forum chatter). |
No, but there is one at the Frame challenge. I think that's the flag  Gyaban is referring to. |
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12/07/2015 12:18:57 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by Kroburg:
Originally posted by tate:
to be fair, there is no flag on this one.
And that was not the SC's idea (to not allow forum chatter). |
No, but there is one at the Frame challenge. I think that's the flag Gyaban is referring to. |
I asked for the DQable offense flag in the "Framed!" challenge to prevent stuff like folks not putting a phone in their image in a "find the phone" challenge. *rolleyes*
I simply wanted the challenge to include an actual frame. Just like I wanted folks to have some fun searching for a phone in each image.
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12/07/2015 12:24:33 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by jgirl57:
I am out of this one, I have no clue to what this is even referring with or knowing how to shoot for the challenge, Totally not understanding this.
may the force be with you all! |
You only need to remember that the answer is 42 |
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12/07/2015 12:32:41 PM · #31 |
Perhaps it was in the spirit of "let the photos speak for themselves"?
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12/07/2015 01:30:14 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by Tiny:
Originally posted by pixelpig:
Originally posted by h2:
Originally posted by gyaban:
Originally posted by Lydia:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I actually like it as an Advanced Editing topic, not Expert... |
+1 |
So, to summarize:
- In order to avoid anyone thinking differently entering challenges, we add yellow flags with DQ threats
- In order to avoid anyone editing differently entering challenges, when someone comes up with a great topic (Georges in that case), and wants it to be ran under more open rules, we alter his idea, without any consideration for his original thoughts
Is this really what we want for DPC to be? A place where diversity is forbidden? If so, there's no much surprise if less and less people choose to stay here, let alone join the community. |
Well said. |
+1 Well said. |
+42 Well said. |
I also agree with gyaban's points. Allegory as advanced editing would give an advantage to the people who set up shots in their studios. Allegory as expert editing gives an advantage to the photoshoppers. By "advantage" I don't mean anything significant, just the ability to get a virtual blue ribbon.
"special rules" are usually nothing more than creativity inhibitors that give more work to the SC. If "expert editing" makes you feel pressure to take 50 shots and gyaban them together into a mostrosity, the problem is in your head, not in the ruleset. Follow your bliss. If that's not what you want to do with photography, then don't do it and let other people do it.
In fact, I was satirizing "special rules" when I said there should be no discussion of what allegory is. I was not serious, but of course I was taken seriously because of the weird tensions that exist here. Yes, I am dreading the thread that will try to create extremely simple definitions of allegory, but I don't seriously want to shut down that discussion. I will probably join it instead, and undermine it that way. :)
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12/07/2015 02:31:25 PM · #33 |
| We have removed the "no-discuss" suggestion from "Allegory". It was a lame idea, in retrospect, so off with its head :-) |
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12/07/2015 05:14:51 PM · #34 |
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12/07/2015 05:45:54 PM · #35 |
| ...and gyaban them together... now there's a handy verb. Christophe, have you been posthumoused allegorically, no? |
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12/07/2015 08:01:01 PM · #36 |
See?? NOTHING has changed, LOL |
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12/07/2015 08:18:39 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by daisydavid:
...and gyaban them together... now there's a handy verb. Christophe, have you been posthumoused allegorically, no? |
+16 |
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12/07/2015 09:51:55 PM · #38 |
| I spent the last half hour trying to figure out what this challenge means. I'm no closer. I have better things to do, so I won't be participating (entering or voting) on this. |
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12/07/2015 11:14:18 PM · #39 |
| Hey guys, I know you're just venting, but this recent trend of "I don't get it so I won't be entering/commenting/voting" is pretty much a flip off of everyone else. Just keep it to yourself, please, or ask for help. Don't be a Debbie Downer for everyone else. With all apologies to Debbie. |
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12/08/2015 12:52:49 AM · #40 |
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12/08/2015 08:36:52 AM · #41 |
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12/08/2015 11:14:50 AM · #42 |
Originally posted by nygold:
Help |
Ok, with what part do you need help? |
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12/08/2015 11:27:49 AM · #43 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Follow your bliss. If that's not what you want to do with photography, then don't do it and let other people do it. |
I like this. Follow your bliss.
Originally posted by posthumous:
Yes, I am dreading the thread that will try to create extremely simple definitions of allegory, but I don't seriously want to shut down that discussion. I will probably join it instead, and undermine it that way. :) |
On many topics I am blissfully ignorant. The Allegory challenge might be one of them. I don't currently "get it", but that won't likely stop me from entering. However, I am hoping to get a better understanding of things before submitting something. Perhaps we could start a discussion that brother posthumous could lead/join/undermine. Anyone have any examples of allegorical art that they like? |
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12/08/2015 11:35:31 AM · #44 |
| Given that whatever I shoot (if I do) will be contrived as a consequence of the challenge, I doubt my capability to be authentic in any meaningful way. The best I can hope to produce is a 'faux' allegory or perhaps a 'mock' allegory. Hmmm... Perhaps such falseness can actually be its core of authenticity - acknowledgement of its 'faux' status being the only valid truth to be conveyed. The lack of a message being the message itself. Done and undone in simultaneity. |
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12/08/2015 12:23:02 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
Originally posted by nygold:
Help |
Ok, with what part do you need help? |
All of it I guess. How about an example, that might help. |
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12/08/2015 03:30:04 PM · #46 |
A tremendous amount of painting is allegorical. In the Western tradition, before the Romantics painted landscapes, a painting was supposed to make a point. So many, many paintings (besides portraits) were either religious or allegorical, or both.
To put it simply, in an allegory, things represent ideas. Like a political cartoon. A lot of gyaban's work is allegorical.
There are paintings of the cardinal virtues and the mortal sins. Blindfolded lady justice holding up her scale is allegory. Do an image search on allegory and you will see these paintings.
Maybe I'll stop by later and undermine myself. In the visual arts, allegory is very similar to symbolism. The main difference is that you can have one thing in a painting that is a symbol, and nothing else is symbolic. If everything in the painting is symbolic, then it's allegory.
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12/08/2015 04:13:38 PM · #47 |
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12/08/2015 05:56:19 PM · #48 |
| Thanks, Don. That clarified some things for me significantly. |
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12/08/2015 06:15:29 PM · #49 |
| Better than anything I could have penned. Thanks, Don! |
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12/08/2015 06:16:50 PM · #50 |
| Also, a lot of fables and stories are also allegorical, like say, The Emperor's New Clothes... |
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