The New Rules are in Place! - DPChallenge Forums

04/19/2016 08:42:33 AM · #26

Originally posted by illini75:

Great job SC. I love the new rules. It goes a long way to getting rid of the gray areas. Thank you

Canon RF 100-500mm F4.5-7.1 L IS USM

04/19/2016 08:44:01 AM · #27

Originally posted by CEJ:

"If it's in your picture and you don't want it there, then remove it!"

This just kills it for me. I know I haven't entered in a long time, but I think about it every posted challenge. This to me just says take whatever you want and MAKE it what you want to enter. Relies on post processing and not taking the picture.

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You have to get the picture you want before you can PP. Still.

bvy

Sigma DP1x

04/19/2016 09:14:44 AM · #28

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Guys, just because you CAN do it doesn't mean you HAVE to do it.

That's not the point. Just about everything I do for any ruleset would meet Minimal Editing requirements anyway (before the changes). I'm talking about the pleasure I get (got?) from voting. Free Studies especially. It's a way to explore the world, peak into people's homes and backyards, see life on the streets, flora and fauna in corners of the globe that I'll never get to. If I give a photo a ten, I'm rewarding the photographer's ability to capture a fleeting moment in a chaotic world, and do so in a visually pleasing and/or intriguing way. Now we've opened the floodgates to manipulation. I won't be sure if what I'm looking at really exists, or ever existed. And that ruins the voting experience for me. There's enough talk here about "distractions" that I'm sure the urge to sterilize images won't be the exception. No, this isn't a grand departure. Yes, I'll give it a chance. But do expect to hear me beating the drum for a monthly Minimal Editing Free Study. It only seems fair.

JakeKurdsjuk

Canon EOS R5

04/19/2016 09:37:18 AM · #29

Originally posted by bvy:

But do expect to hear me beating the drum for a monthly Minimal Editing Free Study. It only seems fair.

Heck, I love both the new rules and the idea of a monthly Minimum challenge. We can go months without them and the topics aren't always the type to excite me, so why not?

As for the rules, I like the idea that there is no need to differentiate between "major" and "minor" distractions, even if I'm not necessarily in agreement with being able to remove anything. DQ's shouldn't be based on degrees of perception. That said, I suspect that most of us who do occasionally remove bits of unwanted distractions won't be tempted to go overboard and "sterilize" an image. If nothing else, I'm thankful that if I get a shot I want to share elsewhere I no longer have to consider whether or not to "finish" the edit after submitting it here.

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S21, S21+, S21 Ultra

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

04/19/2016 10:44:33 AM · #30

I'd like to remind folks, for what it's worth, that these proposed rules were posted for comment/feedback at the beginning of the month, and the relaxation of the "major element" rule received no negative feedback during that discussion (or not that I can recall, anyway). I'd like to remind you also of my statement in the first post on this thread:

Originally posted by bear_music:

For the time being, these rules should be considered to be in a sort of trial phase. We don't expect any difficulties, but if something DOES crop up we'll generate some re-wordings to clarify matters.

bvy

Sigma DP1x

04/19/2016 11:16:43 AM · #31

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

For the time being, these rules should be considered to be in a sort of trial phase. We don't expect any difficulties, but if something DOES crop up we'll generate some re-wordings to clarify matters.

Crop? Did you say crop??! I think that's what got everyone sidetracked to begin with. Me included.

insteps

Ricoh GR III

Fujifilm XF 16mm f/1.4 R WR

04/19/2016 11:29:36 AM · #32

I enjoy photographs showing place and time. Particularly a place or time I�ll never be able to visit. That�s why I enjoy street photography taken with a small aperture so the surrounding environment is included and not lost in a beautiful blurred bokeh. It�s the truth of the situation that�s lost in modern photography. As a society we take more pictures than ever but of what?

Photographers have always put their vision into their work but it�s different today. Manipulating digital images to match a photographers vision is available to everybody lucky enough to own a camera. In the chase for an idyllic presentation the integrity of a photograph is compromised. Scratch the surface and what do we have? Maybe truth but probably not and so it�s all fiction.

Pardon my ramblings�.

I�m not sure what the mission of DPC is but clearly editing images plays a big part. So the new changes seem like a natural progression. As we move forward, I hope some variation of the minimal rule set challenge survives. If nothing else it�s easy for SC to validate an entry.

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

04/19/2016 11:46:28 AM · #33

Originally posted by insteps:

I�m not sure what the mission of DPC is ...

Me either. What is it?

what is your mission in being here?

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

04/19/2016 12:42:11 PM · #34

Originally posted by pixelpig:

Originally posted by insteps:
I�m not sure what the mission of DPC is ...

Me either. What is it?

Originally posted by "About DPC" page:

The original idea behind the site was for it to be a place where the two of us and a couple of our friends could teach ourselves to be better photographers by giving each other a 'challenge' for the week.

Becoming "better" is different for everyone -- for some it is all about composition and timing, others want to work on editing skills. I'm prepared to try and help everyone, regardless of what "type" of photographer they want to become ...

tanguera

Nikon D750

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 17-35mm f/2.8D IF-ED

04/19/2016 06:23:52 PM · #35

Well said, General. I might add that there is also a wide range of photographic goals.

Lydia

Canon EOS-6D

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro IS USM

04/19/2016 06:30:20 PM · #36

Originally posted by tanguera:

Well said, General. I might add that there is also a wide range of photographic goals.

Please let us know when you decide if you'll add it, Johanna. *grin*

Thanks for all you all do, SC!

sfalice

Canon PowerShot SX60 HS

04/19/2016 08:03:36 PM · #37

First I'll add my thanks to those of others to the Site Council members who contributed to this Rule Set. Then, late to the party with my comments, I just didn't feel I had anything to say until now. Nevertheless, here goes:

What we seem to be working toward are rule sets, each coming with certain restrictions. These restrictions are imposed perhaps so we can learn the capabilities of our cameras when restricted to "minimal" thru "extended" editing of the image captured by the sensor.

Some think one rule set is more 'pure' than another. Some think that images captured by one sensor are 'better' than those captured by another sensor. Etc.

I have just finished reading Capturing the Light (The birth of Photography, A true story of Genius and Rivalry) by Roger Watson and Helen Rappaport, published by St Martin's Griffin, US$19.99, CAN $22.99. 2013. Paperback.

This very well presented history traces the efforts of Henry Fox Talbot (English) and Louis Daguerre, (French) as they discover parallel ways to create images, Talbot on paper, Daguerre on glass (to vastly oversimplify).

Interestingly, as early as 1857 photographers were using two negatives to create one image (for example, substituting a lovely sky for a non-descript one). Chapter 25 has a fascinating discussion of how this technique was used.

If you read this book, and it is not a particularly easy read, perhaps you will also learn that nothing is new under the sun.

My take? "Manipulation is not a bad word; it's been there since the beginnings of Photography. Use all the tools at our disposal to create the art we wish to present and look at."

That is how I interpret the site goal: The original idea behind the site was for it to be a place where the two of us and a couple of our friends could teach ourselves to be better photographers

Judi

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4L USM

04/19/2016 09:09:29 PM · #38

Originally posted by sfalice:

Use all the tools at our disposal to create the art we wish to present and look at."

I love that statement....thank you for sharing!

vawendy

Sony Alpha 1

Sony FE 200-600mm f/5.6-6.3 G OSS

04/19/2016 09:59:22 PM · #39

When the rule set was suggested, I was concerned about the cloning of anything rule, but I figured I'd see how things went.

Unfortunately, I'm already not particularly liking it. While taking photos for a current challenge, I moved things around and had a lot of crap in the background. I found myself thinking that I didn't have to bother getting up and moving it because I could just fix it in post. It was a lot of stuff. I was pretty appalled with myself. I'm afraid I'm starting to agree with bvy before things even start. We really will have no way of judging what is real.

Is that important in the scheme of things? It has been. When I've looked at photos on other sites, I've often thought that things were a little too good to be true.

Just thinking out loud.

We really won't know. But hopefully the SC keeps an eye on things. They'll be seeing at least the top 5 images, and they will be able to track over time whether these images remotely resemble the originals. I'm hoping that if we're getting too far off base, it will raise some red flags and discussion among the SC. I think there's a broad enough base within to have a good and useful discussion/decision.

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S21, S21+, S21 Ultra

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

04/19/2016 10:57:48 PM · #40

Originally posted by vawendy:

But hopefully the SC keeps an eye on things. They'll be seeing at least the top 5 images, and they will be able to track over time whether these images remotely resemble the originals. I'm hoping that if we're getting too far off base, it will raise some red flags and discussion among the SC. I think there's a broad enough base within to have a good and useful discussion/decision.

We'll definitely be doing that. We don't expect to see a lot of people going crazy with this, but if it becomes and issue we'll figure something out as a community. Let's just see how it plays out for a while, eh?