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06/03/2016 08:13:12 AM · #1
Glad to see this open to all.
Hopefully we get a good turnout.
06/03/2016 08:58:20 AM · #2
I'm not sure I understand the definition of "Manet invented the snapshot". He was a painter. What do snapshots have to do with anything? I fear this challenge will be full of snapshots and not relate to his paintings at all.
06/03/2016 09:13:42 AM · #3
Manet's paintings are simple captures of everyday life, effectively a snapshot on canvas. You could just have easily called him a "Street Painter", but the snapshot reference has been used so often that it makes more sense.

I think it's up to the photographer to figure out if they want to interpret Manet the artist or snapshot as art form, and up to the voter to decide if the photo fits in their perception of what the challenge means.

06/03/2016 09:21:07 AM · #4
since i'm art ignorant, i googled Manet... it appears he was around about the time photography became available to the larger public, and most art historians believe he may have used photography to capture his subjects in natural or artifical light (the "snapshot"), then used the photos as basis for his paintings

that being said, yes he was a painter, not a photographer... a lot of portraits, and they don't look like snapshots to me either....
06/03/2016 10:07:53 AM · #5
I don't know. I just went to a site that has his collected work and if I look at any painting with people that isn't a formal portrait it could have easily been a 19th century street photo. Everyday life going on right in front of you captured in a perfect moment.
06/03/2016 10:21:17 AM · #6
Originally posted by JakeKurdsjuk:

If I look at any painting with people that isn't a formal portrait it could have easily been a 19th century street photo. Everyday life going on right in front of you captured in a perfect moment.

That's the idea :-)
06/03/2016 10:35:14 AM · #7
as well as the fact that many people believe that he used photographs as source material for a lot of his work, given the lighting and shallow dof in background elements.
it was heavily frowned upon at the time, but so was the idea of allowing your brush strokes to be seen...
so yes, "snapshot" so that the problems associated with using "artificial" light (of the era) for such a prolonged period would be minimal-to-non-existent for his subjects.

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if you look at many of his paintings, you can visualize the accompanying photograph, and it would indeed be considered a snapshot: people looking out over a balcony, a servant bringing flowers to the bed, people conversing over lunch (bathing ladies aside)

Message edited by author 2016-06-03 10:37:17.
06/03/2016 12:04:43 PM · #8
I intended "Manet invented the snapshot" as a provocative, not accurate, statement.
06/03/2016 12:31:23 PM · #9
George Eastman invented the first snapshot camera in 1888. Edouard Manet died in 1883, knowing nothing of snapshots. But if he could've, I think Manet would've been a street photographer.

Perhaps this challenge could include impressionist photography.

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Message edited by author 2016-06-03 12:44:00.
06/03/2016 12:41:21 PM · #10
i predict that some people will just use an art filter on a landscape and they will score well. other people will do Monet instead of Manet, and they will probably score well. I think a wide range of interpretations will be at work in this challenge, making it more difficult to know what will win... which is just how I like it! keep the ribbon hogs on their toes...
06/03/2016 12:58:09 PM · #11
Lots of 'Still Life' paintings in his body of work as well.
06/03/2016 02:43:16 PM · #12
Originally posted by pixelpig:

George Eastman invented the first snapshot camera in 1888. Edouard Manet died in 1883, knowing nothing of snapshots. But if he could've, I think Manet would've been a street photographer.

Perhaps this challenge could include impressionist photography.

Copyrighted_Image_Reuse_Prohibited_1071139.jpg


This will be dead WRONG. Let's not do photo hybrids please and use filters to create second hand paintings of impressionist flavor.
I am not thrilled by the challenge but for the people who did not stumble upon Manet it's a great opportunity to discover him.
Let's not forget that he was assimilated with the Impressionsists who learned a lot from him (as he did from them) but mostly he brought this intense disregard for academic conventions by showing strikingly modern images of urban life.
Quoting form an art book at hand:
- Manet's modernity lies above all in his eagerness to update older genres of painting by injecting new content or by altering the conventional elements. He did so with an acute sensitivity to historical tradition and contemporary reality. This was also undoubtedly the root cause of many of the scandals he provoked.
- He is credited with popularizing the technique of alla prima painting. Rather than build up colors in layers, Manet would immediately lay down the hue that most closely matched the final effect he sought. The approach came to be used widely by the Impressionists, who found it perfectly suited to the pressures of capturing effects of light and atmosphere whilst painting outdoors.
- His loose handling of paint, and his schematic rendering of volumes, led to areas of "flatness" in his pictures. In the artist's day, this flatness may have suggested popular posters or the artifice of painting - as opposed to its realism. Today, critics see this quality as the first example of "flatness" in modern art.

As to the spontaneity or the "snapshot" quality of some of his paintings, one of the best example is:
the train station
but certainly not:
le dejeuner sur l'herbe
06/03/2016 03:01:15 PM · #13
He's also known for being bad at perspective, so if you could take a photo with bad perspective...
06/03/2016 05:21:12 PM · #14
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Lots of 'Still Life' paintings in his body of work as well.

Example 1

Example 2

Example 3
06/03/2016 05:48:35 PM · #15
a snapshot crapshoot... so be it!
06/03/2016 06:13:30 PM · #16
Originally posted by mefnj:

a snapshot crapshoot... so be it!


+1
06/03/2016 08:02:36 PM · #17
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Lots of 'Still Life' paintings in his body of work as well.

Example 1

Example 2

Example 3


THANKS BUNCHES for these links.

SC, are Photoshop thingies legal to make our photographs look like these??

06/03/2016 09:23:57 PM · #18
Originally posted by mariuca:

This will be dead WRONG. Let's not do photo hybrids please and use filters to create second hand paintings of impressionist flavor.

Indeed!
06/03/2016 10:03:50 PM · #19
I'm very reluctant to enter, even though Manet is one of my favourite painters, because in challenges like this, it's almost always dead-on studio replicas that do well. Any kind of spin outside a very narrowly defined box gets kicked to the curb.
06/03/2016 10:09:10 PM · #20
Originally posted by snaffles:

... in challenges like this, it's almost always dead-on studio replicas that do well. Any kind of spin outside a very narrowly defined box gets kicked to the curb.

Care to point us to some examples? You insinuate some sort of precedence. :-)
06/03/2016 10:36:48 PM · #21
what is this, like fridge manets? i have a bunch. they're cheezy as all get out. but at least some are chip clips.
06/03/2016 10:59:29 PM · #22
Originally posted by Lydia:

SC, are Photoshop thingies filters legal to make our photographs look like these??

Short answer is, "Yes". The new Standard Rules are no longer overtly restricting "new features", we're hoping the voters will help us keep it relatively real.
06/03/2016 11:08:35 PM · #23
Thanks!

I still have NO idea about the challenge, but... I appreciate the info, Bear!
06/03/2016 11:34:33 PM · #24
Originally posted by mariuca:

Originally posted by pixelpig:

George Eastman invented the first snapshot camera in 1888. Edouard Manet died in 1883, knowing nothing of snapshots. But if he could've, I think Manet would've been a street photographer.

Perhaps this challenge could include impressionist photography.

Copyrighted_Image_Reuse_Prohibited_1071139.jpg


This will be dead WRONG. Let's not do photo hybrids please and use filters to create second hand paintings of impressionist flavor.
I am not thrilled by the challenge but for the people who did not stumble upon Manet it's a great opportunity to discover him.
Let's not forget that he was assimilated with the Impressionsists who learned a lot from him (as he did from them) but mostly he brought this intense disregard for academic conventions by showing strikingly modern images of urban life.
Quoting form an art book at hand:
- Manet's modernity lies above all in his eagerness to update older genres of painting by injecting new content or by altering the conventional elements. He did so with an acute sensitivity to historical tradition and contemporary reality. This was also undoubtedly the root cause of many of the scandals he provoked.
- He is credited with popularizing the technique of alla prima painting. Rather than build up colors in layers, Manet would immediately lay down the hue that most closely matched the final effect he sought. The approach came to be used widely by the Impressionists, who found it perfectly suited to the pressures of capturing effects of light and atmosphere whilst painting outdoors.
- His loose handling of paint, and his schematic rendering of volumes, led to areas of "flatness" in his pictures. In the artist's day, this flatness may have suggested popular posters or the artifice of painting - as opposed to its realism. Today, critics see this quality as the first example of "flatness" in modern art.

As to the spontaneity or the "snapshot" quality of some of his paintings, one of the best example is:
the train station
but certainly not:
le dejeuner sur l'herbe


Thank you Mariuca.
I'm not the one with the formal artistic training, but I think your example is spot on.
The still lifes posted in this thread are not, IMO.
06/03/2016 11:45:39 PM · #25
Originally posted by Lydia:

Originally posted by glad2badad:

[quote=glad2badad] Lots of 'Still Life' paintings in his body of work as well.

Example 1

Example 2

Example 3


Thanks for these links. My poor brain was spinning at the concept of street photography that would even come close to what he portrayed in his painting of the early 1900's, still life would be easier for me to wrap my mind around.
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