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 06/25/2016 01:33:48 PM · #26
The timing was pretty poor for our students who will have finished their exams and been between university and home. Many of them are likely to have not be registered where they were physically located on polling day.
 06/25/2016 02:04:32 PM · #27
Originally posted by mitalapo:
it is striking to see the correlation between vote and age. It appears the younger population just didn't vote as much.


Yes, it seems to be that the age group that will be the most affected by the decision to leave voted massively to stay, that's what they are pumping through the media here in France.
06/25/2016 02:15:22 PM · #28
I am another who is hugely disappointed by the result. This referendum and what is loosely described as 'debate' has damaged this country beyond belief. Xenophobia and hatred is now legitimised and acceptable. A very sad day for Britain. Whilst I accept the democratic outcome, some 48%+ of the population, so nearly half, did not want to leave the European Union and for me, the direction in which this country is moving is not one that I want to be part of.
 06/25/2016 02:42:22 PM · #29
The world is getting more and more scary. It sounds like many that voted to leave are already regretting their vote and wanting to take it back. I'm incredibly afraid that will happen in our election. Trump wins. People realize what scary, stupid thing they did -- when it's too late.

It also seems like something that significant shouldn't be decided when it's so close. Seems like more of a majority should be required.
 06/25/2016 04:14:16 PM · #30
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 06/25/2016 09:25:00 PM · #31
[quote=vawendy] The world is getting more and more scary. It sounds like many that voted to leave are already regretting their vote and wanting to take it back. I'm incredibly afraid that will happen in our election. Trump wins. People realize what scary, stupid thing they did -- when it's too late.

It also seems like something that significant shouldn't be decided when it's so close. Seems like more of a majority should be required. [/quote

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 06/26/2016 04:16:52 AM · #32
So we should look to the East for models of morality and governance?
 06/26/2016 04:40:17 AM · #33
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 06/26/2016 05:17:26 AM · #34
Originally posted by Neat:
Originally posted by Paul:
So we should look to the East for models of morality and governance?


No, maybe I should of extended it to most of the world to tell the truth! It's just that when USA and UK were great it's because their leaders were great.

You know what Alexis de Tocqueville once said “America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great.” And so it goes!


I don't think I'd argue with that sentiment at all.
 06/26/2016 05:18:17 AM · #35
Notions of truth are socially constructed though...
 06/26/2016 05:23:38 AM · #36
Originally posted by Neat:
Alexis de Tocqueville once said “America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great.” And so it goes!

And yet, the America he was praising was a slave-holding nation that was engaged in exterminating its indigenous, native population... just sayin'...
 06/26/2016 06:08:25 AM · #37
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 06/26/2016 07:17:08 AM · #38
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Neat:
Alexis de Tocqueville once said “America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great.” And so it goes!

And yet, the America he was praising was a slave-holding nation that was engaged in exterminating its indigenous, native population... just sayin'...


BOSH!
 06/26/2016 08:27:56 AM · #39
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Neat:
Alexis de Tocqueville once said “America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great.” And so it goes!

And yet, the America he was praising was a slave-holding nation that was engaged in exterminating its indigenous, native population... just sayin'...


Yea, and the British Empire wasn't all sweetness and light either. I think some people just have a different notion of what 'great' means.
 06/26/2016 08:43:10 AM · #40
Originally posted by Neat:


You know what Alexis de Tocqueville once said “America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great.” And so it goes!


Does that mean the people that voted to leave the EU were good people and therefore great Anita? It seems to me that a lot of people voted how they did because of immigration issues, people that think that their own life and possessions need to be protected from other people that are trying to better their life are maybe more egotistical than good or great.

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 06/26/2016 09:26:24 AM · #41
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 06/26/2016 09:39:25 AM · #42
Originally posted by Neat:
Originally posted by jagar:
Originally posted by Neat:


You know what Alexis de Tocqueville once said “America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great.” And so it goes!


Does that mean the people that voted to leave the EU were good people and therefore great Anita? It seems to me that a lot of people voted how they did because of immigration issues, people that think that their own life and possessions need to be protected from other people that are trying to better their life are maybe more egotistical than good or great.


Well you and I know that this can go around in circles and I cannot vouch for who and why people voted to leave. But I have heard from certain people that they don't like the control that Brussels has on the European Union, and then not to mention the ridiculous regulations that they've placed on every day items from vacuum cleaners to towels. I mean have you actually even looked at how many regulations there are on towels? It's beyond crazy and I'm sure it frustrates a lot of people. I remember when we went to Ireland and we stayed in some self-contained hotels and it had a washing machine and it took practically the whole day to wash and dry the clothes in this machine. Then I heard an article about the regulations that they place on these items, and it made sense, ridiculous sense though!


It all makes sense now. Anita has been waiting for a long time for the day that the shackles on vacuum cleaners and towels will come off and we can be free to clean forever and Britain can be Great again. Go Brexit!!

06/26/2016 09:40:29 AM · #43
Originally posted by Neat:
I get the feeling also that people are just fine with the status quo, they don't like change, or getting out of their comfort zone.


I get the feeling, which I often have with you Anita, that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Vacuum cleaners and towels. Jesus, give me strength!

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 06/26/2016 09:46:26 AM · #44
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Message edited by author 2016-07-17 20:36:34.
 06/26/2016 09:50:44 AM · #45
Originally posted by Neat:
It's not about vacuum cleaners or towels it's about the control Brussels has On the people.


You really have no idea apart from what you've probably read in rags like the Daily Mail or similar. Or perhaps you've done a lot of research into the very complex legal and trade laws of the EU and can explain what you mean more thoroughly. But judging by the comments you've posted about vacuum cleaners and towels I very much doubt that.

And just so it's clear…I'm no great fan of the EU. It has many bad things about it and to leave or remain was an incredibly complicated issue and both parties peddled mis-information and lies.

Anyway, I can see this is just going to give me a headache so i'll probably leave it there.

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 06/26/2016 10:17:50 AM · #46
I have a rather powerful vacuum cleaner that's made in the EU, it sucks up my pets fur easily, do they have better ones outside the EU ? If so I might move.
Seriously Anita, there were serious arguments for and against staying but the lies and silliness that was the campaign wasn't beneficial or great at all.

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 06/26/2016 10:22:35 AM · #47
Originally posted by Neat:
I get the feeling also that people are just fine with the status quo, they don't like change, or getting out of their comfort zone.

another interpretation is that people voting "leave" want to go back in time thinking of the glorious past (it seems more in line with the age/vote correlation)
06/26/2016 06:33:04 PM · #48
Originally posted by Kroburg:
In my heart I was hoping for BREXIT, so I'm sort of pleased. But probably this will mean that we'll have another referendum in Scotland for independance. And when that will lead to independence the first thing the Scots will do is handing over all their powers to Europe again. Does anyone understand this?


... perhaps some view the recent decision as having their minds made up by others in the UK and that is why they might opt for independence. Just another man's perspective on this issue.

Ray
 06/26/2016 06:37:29 PM · #49
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Neat:
Alexis de Tocqueville once said “America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great.” And so it goes!

And yet, the America he was praising was a slave-holding nation that was engaged in exterminating its indigenous, native population... just sayin'...


I recently saw something on Facebook that outlined all of the countries that the Britain had invaded over the years, and described just how well they treated the inhabitants of the land and then asked the question: " and you have a problem with immigrants?"... pretty much on the money that one.

Ray
 06/26/2016 06:53:48 PM · #50
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Neat:
Alexis de Tocqueville once said “America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great.” And so it goes!

And yet, the America he was praising was a slave-holding nation that was engaged in exterminating its indigenous, native population... just sayin'...


I recently saw something on Facebook that outlined all of the countries that the Britain had invaded over the years, and described just how well they treated the inhabitants of the land and then asked the question: " and you have a problem with immigrants?"... pretty much on the money that one.

Ray


Quite. The hypocrisy is astonishing. Meanwhile, quite predictably, in the UK in the last 48 hours or so verbal and physical attacks on immigrants, or people who might look like immigrants either from the EU or not has shot up. Lots of horrible stories coming out. There is an ugly, grim, xenophobic mood here which has been rising for a while and it's totally been accelerated and amplified by this referendum. As I said in my first post above- it was obvious that this would happen, whatever the result. There is nothing like giving xenophobia and racism a bit of a mandate to bring the real thugs out of the woodwork.

This is partly why I get so annoyed with people like Anita with their Brexit flag waving and utter joy that our lives will soon be free of over regulated vacuum cleaners.

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