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12/17/2016 09:10:12 PM · #1
8 challenges open for submission: 5 Standard, 3 Extended, 0 Minimal
4 challenges in voting: 3 Standard, 1 Extended, 0 Minimal

Why so many Extended and 0 Minimal?
12/17/2016 09:23:24 PM · #2
I think there is a much larger pool of "suitable" topics for Extended than for Minimal. Please feel free to expand that pool ...
12/17/2016 09:37:39 PM · #3
Originally posted by GeneralE:

I think there is a much larger pool of "suitable" topics for Extended than for Minimal. Please feel free to expand that pool ...

That's a bunch of B.S.
12/17/2016 10:50:53 PM · #4
I think The General is saying there is a much larger pool of Extended-suitable topic sSUGGESTIONS in the pool at present... than Minimal-suitable topic SUGGESTIONS and... he is encouraging you to suggest more ... minimally-suitable topics.
12/17/2016 10:58:56 PM · #5
Originally posted by Lydia:

I think The General is saying there is a much larger pool of Extended-suitable topic SUGGESTIONS in the pool at present... than Minimal-suitable topic SUGGESTIONS and... he is encouraging you to suggest more ... minimally-suitable topics.

I think you're right ... sorry for not being more explicit.
12/18/2016 12:16:05 AM · #6
This is correct. We have very few topics in the queue that were proposed as "minimal" challenges right now. You folks should come up with some creative-juice-stirring topics that are made-to-be-minimal, and you'll see more minimal challenges. We promise :-)
12/18/2016 04:14:51 AM · #7
whats B.S. mean ?
12/18/2016 05:02:19 AM · #8
Originally posted by Tiny:

whats B.S. mean ?


B = Male cow
S = what comes out the rear of a male cow
12/18/2016 05:44:06 AM · #9
well how rude !
12/18/2016 11:09:51 AM · #10
Originally posted by Tiny:

well how rude OK !

Watch the Dana Carvey Netflix special Straight White Male, 60 and check out his portrayal of surly teenagers to get a better take on the American euphemism BS.

it's really only slightly rude! LOL!
12/18/2016 11:59:27 AM · #11
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by Lydia:

I think The General is saying there is a much larger pool of Extended-suitable topic SUGGESTIONS in the pool at present... than Minimal-suitable topic SUGGESTIONS and... he is encouraging you to suggest more ... minimally-suitable topics.

I think you're right ... sorry for not being more explicit.

I knew exactly what Paul was suggesting. It's the push-button response from several SC members today (basically if you don't like the way things are, make them better, etc...). That's potentially opening up a bigger can of worms than what's needed here in this specific forum thread (plenty of other existing forums for that topic).

Bottom line: I feel it's a cop out to automatically respond that there's not enough challenge suggestions made that called for the 'Minimal' ruleset. How many times have challenge suggestions been made with a specific ruleset and that "suggested" ruleset was negated and the challenge run under something else? Many times. ... and no, it's not on me to have to prove it, as I'm sure some SC will quickly suggest.

There have to be numerous challenge suggestions that could be implemented under the Minimal rules. Heck, there's probably plenty of challenge suggestions made that don't even have a suggested ruleset mentioned in them.

Sorry guys, not buying it. I still say B.S. If you (SC, Langdon, DPChallenge) wanted to see more Minimal challenges, it would happen.
12/18/2016 12:05:30 PM · #12
Why are people always picking on you, do you suppose?

There are a whole bunch of minimal suggestions today (not from you) & you didn't even say thank you.
12/18/2016 12:58:28 PM · #13
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by Lydia:

I think The General is saying there is a much larger pool of Extended-suitable topic SUGGESTIONS in the pool at present... than Minimal-suitable topic SUGGESTIONS and... he is encouraging you to suggest more ... minimally-suitable topics.

I think you're right ... sorry for not being more explicit.

Originally posted by glad2badad:

I knew exactly what Paul was suggesting. It's the push-button response from several SC members today (basically if you don't like the way things are, make them better, etc...). That's potentially opening up a bigger can of worms than what's needed here in this specific forum thread (plenty of other existing forums for that topic).

I pretty much agree with the thought that if you don't like how something is going that it's a lot more constructive to make helpful suggestions and keep on in a positive manner than to gripe. And if it doesn't happen, well.......does that ruin the whole experience for you?

As has been said before, you're under no obligation to get out your biggest baddest PS magic wand in any challenge. Personally, I like being able to do the best I can with an image without excessive editing.

My own rule of thumb for editing is that if I can't prep an entry in five minutes or less, my image sucks. YMMV.
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Bottom line: I feel it's a cop out to automatically respond that there's not enough challenge suggestions made that called for the 'Minimal' ruleset. How many times have challenge suggestions been made with a specific ruleset and that "suggested" ruleset was negated and the challenge run under something else? Many times. ... and no, it's not on me to have to prove it, as I'm sure some SC will quickly suggest.

I don't see the conspiracy, but I'll take your word for it. I do wonder what that motivation might be, though. What would be the point?
Originally posted by glad2badad:

There have to be numerous challenge suggestions that could be implemented under the Minimal rules. Heck, there's probably plenty of challenge suggestions made that don't even have a suggested ruleset mentioned in them.

From my own perspective, I often wonder if anyone has ever suggested multiple ruleset topics.

I think it would be interesting to pick a topic and offer two challenges.....same topic, different ruleset. I know I'd love to view and vote the two.
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Sorry guys, not buying it. I still say B.S. If you (SC, Langdon, DPChallenge) wanted to see more Minimal challenges, it would happen.

Again, it seems a stretch that there's some point to NOT offering more Minimal challenges.
12/18/2016 01:02:14 PM · #14
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by Lydia:

I think The General is saying there is a much larger pool of Extended-suitable topic SUGGESTIONS in the pool at present... than Minimal-suitable topic SUGGESTIONS and... he is encouraging you to suggest more ... minimally-suitable topics.

I think you're right ... sorry for not being more explicit.

I knew exactly what Paul was suggesting. It's the push-button response from several SC members today (basically if you don't like the way things are, make them better, etc...).

I'm having trouble seeing what's wrong with the idea that if you don't like things the way they are, take some initiative to try make them better. Why is it MY responsibility to "make things better"? And "better" by whose definition???

I did notice there are several new suggestions for Minimal challenges ... I assure you they will be placed into the pool of available topics soon.
12/18/2016 01:39:50 PM · #15
A nice handful of viable Minimal challenges has been proposed, and they are in the queue. Thanks to those of you who contributed :-)

12/18/2016 07:40:09 PM · #16
Okay, here's a suggestion for a "Minimal" challenge:

Smile. It may be derived from animal, vegetable or mineral sources.

Message edited by author 2016-12-18 19:40:28.
12/18/2016 11:03:12 PM · #17
Originally posted by Tiny:

well how rude !


LOLOLOL Cannot believe this came from you, Tiny :)
12/19/2016 04:02:56 AM · #18
Well there are standards.

Barry seems to have his panties in a terrible twist.
12/19/2016 07:16:14 AM · #19
Originally posted by Tiny:

Well there are standards.

Barry seems to have his panties in a terrible twist.

You say that like it's a bad thing LOL!!!
12/19/2016 09:16:20 AM · #20
Originally posted by pixelpig:

Why are people always picking on you, do you suppose?

There are a whole bunch of minimal suggestions today (not from you) & you didn't even say thank you.


:-) Sorry, but not buying that one (I don't get the impression I'm being picked on).

... and Thanks!
01/15/2017 12:34:57 PM · #21
Keeping a nice balance lately DPC! Thanks. :-)
01/17/2017 10:19:31 AM · #22
It's better than nothing in that we have non-zero minimal challenges, but I disagree that it's a "nice balance". As usual, three extended editing, and just the one minimal...
01/17/2017 12:00:18 PM · #23
Originally posted by riot:

It's better than nothing in that we have non-zero minimal challenges, but I disagree that it's a "nice balance". As usual, three extended editing, and just the one minimal...

Bear in mind that one of those Extended challenges is a Free Study, and it's always up there, as is the Standard Free Study, so we don't "count" those when we look at the balance. Currently the balance is 2:1 with Extended in the lead. A couple weeks ago we had an influx of Minimal challenges and the balance was reversed. I think it will be rare that they are actually aligned at any given point in time, but over the long haul we're working to implement a better balance. All that said, sometimes a certain challenge just cries out to be held at a certain time with a specific editing set; the "Friday the 13th" challenge is an example.

I think it's worth noting that the current trend towards parity of Extended vs Minimal is due to two factors; SC "heard" the membership's communally-expressed opinion and took steps to move towards a better balance, and the membership, in turn, has responded by actually entering the Minimal challenges in strong numbers and with interesting photographs. Sort of exactly the way it should be, don't you think? :-)
01/17/2017 12:41:19 PM · #24
It was a long time coming but I appreciate the inclusion. Thanks to the squeaky wheels and drivers of DPC.
01/18/2017 09:04:51 AM · #25
Originally posted by insteps:

It was a long time coming but I appreciate the inclusion. Thanks to the squeaky wheels and drivers of DPC.


Meh... it's a Minimal gain. ;-)
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