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01/05/2017 08:47:13 PM · #1
Start with one image. Flip it & combine to create a new image of perfect bilateral symmetry. Flip it again if you wish to create vertical & horizontal symmetry.

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01/05/2017 11:37:10 PM · #2
Good challenge. Standard editing with a flag?
01/06/2017 12:04:53 AM · #3
Good challenge suggestion. The unblended flips have a different character. (Btw, the sample by 21_N.gif skewsme is a reflection.)
01/06/2017 12:33:50 AM · #4
Great idea. And Jomari is correct about my photo below, thanks for mentioning.
01/06/2017 05:19:14 AM · #5
That was my intention when I first made the suggestion for Artificial Symmetry in 2012. Unfortunately when the challenge was eventually held, blending was allowed. I'd love to see it done properly.
01/06/2017 09:19:02 AM · #6
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Good challenge. Standard editing with a flag?


Why not? Keeping it photographic in nature. But will it then be impossible to make the BG black in PP?

Message edited by author 2017-01-06 09:38:52.
01/06/2017 09:20:32 AM · #7
Originally posted by skewsme:

Great idea. And Jomari is correct about my photo below, thanks for mentioning.


My apologies. Please forgive. I removed it from my post.
01/06/2017 01:18:30 PM · #8
Originally posted by GinaRothfels:

That was my intention when I first made the suggestion for Artificial Symmetry in 2012. Unfortunately when the challenge was eventually held, blending was allowed. I'd love to see it done properly.


Here's the first Artificial Symmetry challenge - I didn't look closely to see whether we were able to do both horizontal and vertical, but I'm pretty sure we could. I've thought of this one frequently - it was great fun.

Artificial Symmetry
01/06/2017 04:33:46 PM · #9
Originally posted by nam:

Originally posted by GinaRothfels:

That was my intention when I first made the suggestion for Artificial Symmetry in 2012. Unfortunately when the challenge was eventually held, blending was allowed. I'd love to see it done properly.


Here's the first Artificial Symmetry challenge - I didn't look closely to see whether we were able to do both horizontal and vertical, but I'm pretty sure we could. I've thought of this one frequently - it was great fun.

Artificial Symmetry


That one was under the extended editing rule set so we could do anything we wanted. My entry flipped the picture both ways:
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Artificial symmetry brought me two of my top four scores so I'd love to do this challenge.
01/06/2017 04:41:52 PM · #10
Originally posted by pixelpig:

Start with one image. Flip it & combine to create a new image of perfect bilateral symmetry. Flip it again if you wish to create vertical & horizontal symmetry.

Are you requiring use of the entire, uncropped image, or can one crop out a piece of a photo and then flip that?
01/06/2017 04:54:23 PM · #11
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by pixelpig:

Start with one image. Flip it & combine to create a new image of perfect bilateral symmetry. Flip it again if you wish to create vertical & horizontal symmetry.

Are you requiring use of the entire, uncropped image, or can one crop out a piece of a photo and then flip that?


Oh, I do hope we can prepare the image as we want it using Standard editing and then do the duplicating . . .
01/06/2017 05:16:00 PM · #12
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by pixelpig:

Start with one image. Flip it & combine to create a new image of perfect bilateral symmetry. Flip it again if you wish to create vertical & horizontal symmetry.

Are you requiring use of the entire, uncropped image, or can one crop out a piece of a photo and then flip that?


I'd think that cropping would be fine, just as long as you use the same crop every time.
01/06/2017 07:38:15 PM · #13
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by pixelpig:

Start with one image. Flip it & combine to create a new image of perfect bilateral symmetry. Flip it again if you wish to create vertical & horizontal symmetry.

Are you requiring use of the entire, uncropped image, or can one crop out a piece of a photo and then flip that?


A crop is not required. But it is recommended.
01/06/2017 07:49:10 PM · #14
Originally posted by nam:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by pixelpig:

Start with one image. Flip it & combine to create a new image of perfect bilateral symmetry. Flip it again if you wish to create vertical & horizontal symmetry.

Are you requiring use of the entire, uncropped image, or can one crop out a piece of a photo and then flip that?


Oh, I do hope we can prepare the image as we want it using Standard editing and then do the duplicating . . .


Yes you can. Go for it!
01/06/2017 08:36:46 PM · #15
Originally posted by pixelpig:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by pixelpig:

Start with one image. Flip it & combine to create a new image of perfect bilateral symmetry. Flip it again if you wish to create vertical & horizontal symmetry.

Are you requiring use of the entire, uncropped image, or can one crop out a piece of a photo and then flip that?


A crop is not required. But it is recommended.

Well, cropping requires far less attention needed for the original composition -- cutting out an interesting piece of something suitable for mirroring will be a lot easier. But I just wanted clarification, not change ... :-)
01/06/2017 11:35:11 PM · #16
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by pixelpig:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by pixelpig:

Start with one image. Flip it & combine to create a new image of perfect bilateral symmetry. Flip it again if you wish to create vertical & horizontal symmetry.

Are you requiring use of the entire, uncropped image, or can one crop out a piece of a photo and then flip that?


A crop is not required. But it is recommended.

Well, cropping requires far less attention needed for the original composition -- cutting out an interesting piece of something suitable for mirroring will be a lot easier. But I just wanted clarification, not change ... :-)


Not necessarily so. Could it be that for some the challenge is seeing potential for a flip in reality, for others it's finding the flip in the right crop. For either mind, the first try may not yield a success.

Some think it out in advance, then go out to capture the shot they need. Others go looking for what's out there, & do their thinking after. Everybody has to figure out how to reliably get the shot needed, however their process is organized in their mind.

A good challenge should inspire everyone equally to try it, yes?
01/06/2017 11:58:59 PM · #17
I can't IMAGINE doing this kind of work without very precise cropping of the original... It's pretty much integral to the process :-)
01/07/2017 12:56:15 AM · #18
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

I can't IMAGINE doing this kind of work without very precise cropping of the original... It's pretty much integral to the process :-)


There you are. For others, the idea of cropping the original is unthinkable anathema.
01/07/2017 06:29:14 AM · #19
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

I can't IMAGINE doing this kind of work without very precise cropping of the original... It's pretty much integral to the process :-)


My image which I linked to yesterday was uncropped. However for the second challenge I did need to crop my image.
01/07/2017 09:20:31 AM · #20
Just remembered the first Artificial Symmetry challenge was expert - I actually composited two images. Not necessary to this new challenge, but it was key to my entry at the time.
01/07/2017 11:40:36 AM · #21
Originally posted by pixelpig:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

I can't IMAGINE doing this kind of work without very precise cropping of the original... It's pretty much integral to the process :-)


There you are. For others, the idea of cropping the original is unthinkable anathema.


And then, for some of us, any rules are anathema!
01/08/2017 11:43:30 AM · #22
Originally posted by sfalice:

Originally posted by pixelpig:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

I can't IMAGINE doing this kind of work without very precise cropping of the original... It's pretty much integral to the process :-)


There you are. For others, the idea of cropping the original is unthinkable anathema.


And then, for some of us, any rules are anathema!


I'll drink to that! Rather than doing what the camera needs, I want to use the camera to get what I want--which is almost never a technically perfect shot. I use the camera to sample reality, & bring the sample home to play with. Digital art has something in common with the technically perfect shot--the dominating presence of the machine--that I'm trying to escape. I want the dominating presence in my work to be human. Imperfect, unfinished, enigmatic. There should be room for the viewer to determine what it is they're looking at. Ideally, each viewer will see their own thing. That's why I like the flip'n'mirror image--it combines the abstract & the representational, the familiar & the strange. The perfect symmetry is reassuring, making it safe to view the odd new image. This would be a fun challenge to do, & to vote on.
01/08/2017 01:23:25 PM · #23
Originally posted by pixelpig:

Originally posted by sfalice:

Originally posted by pixelpig:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

I can't IMAGINE doing this kind of work without very precise cropping of the original... It's pretty much integral to the process :-)


There you are. For others, the idea of cropping the original is unthinkable anathema.


And then, for some of us, any rules are anathema!


I'll drink to that! Rather than doing what the camera needs, I want to use the camera to get what I want--which is almost never a technically perfect shot. I use the camera to sample reality, & bring the sample home to play with. Digital art has something in common with the technically perfect shot--the dominating presence of the machine--that I'm trying to escape. I want the dominating presence in my work to be human. Imperfect, unfinished, enigmatic. There should be room for the viewer to determine what it is they're looking at. Ideally, each viewer will see their own thing. That's why I like the flip'n'mirror image--it combines the abstract & the representational, the familiar & the strange. The perfect symmetry is reassuring, making it safe to view the odd new image. This would be a fun challenge to do, & to vote on.


Since I bought my fisheye lens a lot of my photos don't even sample reality, they distort it. Combine that with Nik Silver Efex and I rarely produce anything that resembles the scene I saw.
01/08/2017 01:34:59 PM · #24
First, add me to the supporter list for this idea.

Originally posted by pixelpig:

Originally posted by sfalice:

Originally posted by pixelpig:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

I can't IMAGINE doing this kind of work without very precise cropping of the original... It's pretty much integral to the process :-)


There you are. For others, the idea of cropping the original is unthinkable anathema.


And then, for some of us, any rules are anathema!


I'll drink to that! Rather than doing what the camera needs, I want to use the camera to get what I want--which is almost never a technically perfect shot. I use the camera to sample reality, & bring the sample home to play with. Digital art has something in common with the technically perfect shot--the dominating presence of the machine--that I'm trying to escape. I want the dominating presence in my work to be human. Imperfect, unfinished, enigmatic. There should be room for the viewer to determine what it is they're looking at. Ideally, each viewer will see their own thing. That's why I like the flip'n'mirror image--it combines the abstract & the representational, the familiar & the strange. The perfect symmetry is reassuring, making it safe to view the odd new image. This would be a fun challenge to do, & to vote on.


Love this exchange. Especially pixelpig's eloquent musings on abstraction. For me, rules are essential. Without them, there'd be nothing to break. And the ability to create within the rules enhances the effect of working without.

About six months ago I entered this shot in a Free Study... created from two flipped shots of oak trees (one resized down and inserted into the other) against a blurred background of chaparral on a distant hill.

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I suspect this wouldn't meet the "don't blend" part, since I'm pretty sure I used a blend mode when inserting the smaller central image. Both images were cropped from larger originals.
01/08/2017 03:12:52 PM · #25
Originally posted by wbanning:

First, add me to the supporter list for this idea.

Originally posted by pixelpig:

Originally posted by sfalice:

Originally posted by pixelpig:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

I can't IMAGINE doing this kind of work without very precise cropping of the original... It's pretty much integral to the process :-)


There you are. For others, the idea of cropping the original is unthinkable anathema.


And then, for some of us, any rules are anathema!


I'll drink to that! Rather than doing what the camera needs, I want to use the camera to get what I want--which is almost never a technically perfect shot. I use the camera to sample reality, & bring the sample home to play with. Digital art has something in common with the technically perfect shot--the dominating presence of the machine--that I'm trying to escape. I want the dominating presence in my work to be human. Imperfect, unfinished, enigmatic. There should be room for the viewer to determine what it is they're looking at. Ideally, each viewer will see their own thing. That's why I like the flip'n'mirror image--it combines the abstract & the representational, the familiar & the strange. The perfect symmetry is reassuring, making it safe to view the odd new image. This would be a fun challenge to do, & to vote on.


Love this exchange. Especially pixelpig's eloquent musings on abstraction. For me, rules are essential. Without them, there'd be nothing to break. And the ability to create within the rules enhances the effect of working without.

About six months ago I entered this shot in a Free Study... created from two flipped shots of oak trees (one resized down and inserted into the other) against a blurred background of chaparral on a distant hill.

Copyrighted_Image_Reuse_Prohibited_1182819.jpg

I suspect this wouldn't meet the "don't blend" part, since I'm pretty sure I used a blend mode when inserting the smaller central image. Both images were cropped from larger originals.


:D

"Anyone can change the rules. Nobody can change the game." -Pixelpig

I remember your comp, the old man in the tree, I was one of your 10s, for the complexity of detail that forms a simple, compelling image. You gave me The POLM award for mine, for which I thank you very much. No blending allowed for this challenge but I'd look forward to it anyway.
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