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07/11/2017 10:00:11 PM · #1
A Hidden Gem challenge with a twist...participants must have cast more votes than they have received, DPC lifetime totals. Maybe limit the hidden gem to anything from 2017.
07/11/2017 10:19:41 PM · #2
Boo. No.
07/11/2017 10:55:21 PM · #3
Why not? Maybe allow those who have cast over 120,000 votes to enter too?
07/11/2017 11:11:45 PM · #4
That will exclude me in both cases. I voted 100% on ALL the challenges since I joined, participated on ALL the challenges since I joined. Your twist doesn't make sense. So a big NO with the twist and yes without the twist.
07/11/2017 11:13:04 PM · #5
Originally posted by GeorgesBogaert:

That will exclude me in both cases. I voted 100% on ALL the challenges since I joined, participated on ALL the challenges since I joined. Your twist doesn't make sense. So a big NO with the twist and yes without the twist.


Yeah, but you have way too many ribbons. :-)
07/12/2017 12:08:38 AM · #6
...nevermind. I was just trying to think of something nice for members who put in time voting, more than they do entering. I wasn't expecting this angry feedback from those that wouldn't fit the criteria.

I've asked SC to lock the thread.

Message edited by author 2017-07-12 00:12:45.
07/12/2017 12:14:33 AM · #7
Originally posted by RKT:

...nevermind. I was just trying to think of something nice for members who put in time voting, more than they do entering. I wasn't expecting this angry feedback from those that wouldn't fit the criteria.

I've asked SC to lock the thread.


Sorry. Not angry, just didn't like the idea.
07/12/2017 12:31:50 AM · #8
Challenges Entered: 135
Votes Cast: 11,581
Avg Vote Cast: 5.9636
Votes Received: 7,464
Avg Vote Received: 5.1147
Comments:
Made: 2,133
Helpful: 1,810
Received: 343
Helpful: 287
I think I have a decent record since I've only been here a little over a year.
07/12/2017 12:56:15 AM · #9
I'm not sure "anger" is the right word for the response here, though it's certainly negative. The idea was well-intended but the specific concept may not hold up well to closer examination.

Using myself as an example, until very recently I have entered nearly every challenge since I joined DPC, I have voted on nearly all of them, and when I vote it's normally on 100% of the entries. I've entered 1,624 challenges, cast about 170,000 votes, and received about 218,000 of them. So, in the abstract, I'm clearly not part of the paucity-of-votes problem, yet I'm NEVER going to catch up on the balance sheet.

I haven't subjected this to rigorous analysis, but it seems to me the only way one's likely to have a "positive" voting-sheet balance is if one votes on more challenges than one enters. And we do know for a fact that there are at least a few people here (how many, I have no idea) who feel it's not ethical to vote on a challenge one has entered, so the more they enter the less they vote :-( Without getting into the moral issues pro-and-con on that stance, obviously if we had a site comprised entirely of members who took that approach to voting, then if ALL of them entered the Free Study, say, there'd be NO votes cast...

But I digress. Getting back to Rachel's suggestion, on the surface it seems to me this would be a challenge for those who regularly vote but seldom enter. I'm not actually against that, truth be told, but that's a pretty specific subset...

Anyway, here are a few quick observations off the top of my hat. I've been eyeballing the challenges in subsets, looking at 2017 specifically, and I'm seeing that for the most part Member Challenges are receiving between 47 and 55 votes per image on average, and this doesn't much correlate with how many entries they have. Free Studies consistently get over 100 entries, but their average votes-per-entry is usually in that same narrow range. Plenty of the less-popular challenges have numbers of entries in the 20s and 30s, but for the most part they receive votes at about the same rate. Bear in mind that registered members cannot vote on Member Challenges.

Looking at the Open Challenges, we see that they tend to have on average maybe a dozen or perhaps 2 dozen more entries than the member challenges, although plenty of them dip into the 20s and 30s, but in general they have roughly the same average number of votes cast per image, a little higher in that range than what I sense in the member Challenges, but not a whole lot. And that, to me, is interesting.

How to change it? I don't know. But I've clearly hijacked Rachel's thread, so I'm gonna lock this one up, as she requested, and start another one to see who wants to get to work and massage real data in a more cohesive and orderly fashion than I have here.

Rachel, your intentions (as always) are good. I understand your frustration, I don't think anyone really got mad, but it's pretty much a dead topic in a practical sense, so on we move :-)

Here's the new thread.

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