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10/05/2017 01:03:35 PM · #76 |
Originally posted by horseelevator:
Examples of DPC with different colour schemes. Spaces intentional after https to get around spam filter.
https ://imgur.com/Lnep4zB
https ://imgur.com/VmV6BXI
There has to be a compromise. When viewing images my background is solid black. It\\\'s how I prefer to look at websites, dpc included. I use stylebot to change every site I frequent.
I know the discussion is about mobile devices, but you can\\\'t ensure everyone is voting on images using the same settings. Why should mobile devices be any different? |
Gee....
Sure is patently obvious why this guy is worried about SPAM filters since he just magically just appeared in this conversation from nowhere.
Message edited by author 2017-10-05 13:04:30.
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10/05/2017 01:11:46 PM · #77 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by horseelevator:
Examples of DPC with different colour schemes. Spaces intentional after https to get around spam filter.
https ://imgur.com/Lnep4zB
https ://imgur.com/VmV6BXI
There has to be a compromise. When viewing images my background is solid black. It\\\'s how I prefer to look at websites, dpc included. I use stylebot to change every site I frequent.
I know the discussion is about mobile devices, but you can\\\'t ensure everyone is voting on images using the same settings. Why should mobile devices be any different? |
Gee....
Sure is patently obvious why this guy is worried about SPAM filters since he just magically just appeared in this conversation from nowhere. |
Should I even attempt to look at those links? |
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10/05/2017 01:19:53 PM · #78 |
In the spirit of a different POV, and to offer that up, here are more thoughts and follow up.
Originally posted by mbrutus2009:
1) FB, Instagram, and Twitter are growing faster than you could imagine... There's a reason for that... It's easy, new, simple, easy to interact, easy to obtain when you have a few minutes to mess around between class, at lunch, etc.
Don't get me wrong, I agree to a certain extent that gaining the "instant gratification" crowd has its seriously bad side effect. And if we want to talk about that, sure I can go along with that. |
I am more active than I want to be on FaceBook.....and I have a really intense dislike for what would end up as the average IQ number because of some real morons who dumb it down. It surprises me to see/hear people I thought I knew spouting inane shit. And some are just downright stupid.
Originally posted by mbrutus2009:
2) I think there are more than just a few who don't have the bloom on their flower anymore... That's the point I'm trying to make. |
No bloom for me, per se, just recognition of what is IMO a terrific resource. I think (hope) that there are like us that simply aren't as mouthy and noisy as.....some of us. (If the shoe fits......) LOL.
Originally posted by mbrutus2009:
3) A questionnaire sent to the "still active" members wouldn't be fair... The "still active" member think like me and you and would do anything to keep this site alive even if it's just a few of us left. This site has been my go-to page for years. I wouldn't want that to change. And I don't think it will until the site goes kurput... Which is what I'm trying to avoid. |
Okay, I can look back, but what I meant was pretty much anyone who enters challenges. I think there's a semi-underground population who participate lightly who just don't get involved in community discussion, are basically okay with the site, and participate here and there. I'd like to reach those people, too.
Originally posted by mbrutus2009:
4) I disagree that it's destructive to talk about possible "dooms day" for DPC... I think it's absolutely the opposite. Talking about ideas and gaining people's interest with new and upcoming items is what I think this site needs. Do I think "dooms day" will happen soon? Hell no, there's a bunch of us so loyal that we would talk to a wall before giving up... I'm just saying there's a limit to the inactivity before one doesn't visit the site anymore. Again this is all opinion and am very open to those who have another opinion. |
Okay, it's not constructive in a forward planning mindset to talk about End of Days. It's the gorilla in the room. We all know it's there, ,so why use it in conversation? Let's just talk about what we cfan do.
Originally posted by mbrutus2009:
5) Lastly, I'm a numbers guy... I like factual numbers to back up opinions. I am not saying that this hasn't gotten me in trouble in the past because it totally has but it's just how my brain works. Seeing the number decrease has been very noticeable... One can only start to think... That's all... |
Okay....
How can we put your numbers thing together? We need 'em. How many paid members are there? How many do we need to keep the doors open? What can we do as interested members of the community to help? We know that getting something through to the site in the way of change requires a good solid idea, planning, and some hard work sorting through garbage before it's even a viable idea.
You're young and ambitious, full of energy & bright ideas. DO something! Start the ball rolling.
What can I do to help
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10/05/2017 01:20:18 PM · #79 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I will always remain in the camp for full screen voting. |
Originally posted by mbrutus2009:
Willing to compromise? |
No, I don't want to compromise. I want to work with whomever to investigate *any* long term potential idea to help DPC.
Originally posted by mbrutus2009:
ETA - Example - open challenges to be allowed mobile voting where member challenges aren't? |
That actually does sound like a possibility, even if only a beta situation to see how it fares.
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Wait... No or yes to compromise? Lol. |
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10/05/2017 01:26:00 PM · #80 |
Originally posted by mbrutus2009:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by horseelevator:
Examples of DPC with different colour schemes. Spaces intentional after https to get around spam filter.
https ://imgur.com/Lnep4zB
https ://imgur.com/VmV6BXI
There has to be a compromise. When viewing images my background is solid black. It\\\'s how I prefer to look at websites, dpc included. I use stylebot to change every site I frequent.
I know the discussion is about mobile devices, but you can\\\'t ensure everyone is voting on images using the same settings. Why should mobile devices be any different? |
Gee....
Sure is patently obvious why this guy is worried about SPAM filters since he just magically just appeared in this conversation from nowhere. |
Should I even attempt to look at those links? |
Don't waste your time. All he did was change the background to black.
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10/05/2017 01:27:36 PM · #81 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
You're young and ambitious, full of energy & bright ideas. DO something! Start the ball rolling.
What can I do to help |
You said much more but I don't want to fill the screen for those who don't want to scroll for 5 minutes to get to the bottom.
And as for young and ambitious, full of energy and bright ideas... That's kinda where I stop... I'm no expert when it comes to anything else. I can't code... Don't even know where to begin with half the ideas I have... I am at best a mediocre photographer... I just don't want 5 years from now it only to be you me and 5 other people trying to keep this place alive...
I'm very happy with the idea of making half or even less than half the challenges to be voter-friendly on mobile. Yes, this will bring in a lot of Instagram type users but then again it will also bring in those who genuinely want to learn how to get better at photography. We need to obtain the masses to be able to pluck the good ones out of the crowd...
ETA - When describing me, you forgot persistent... And REALLY annoying to those who ignore me... I'll be messaging Langdon daily (sometimes 2 times a day) until he responds...
Message edited by author 2017-10-05 13:33:17. |
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10/05/2017 01:34:50 PM · #82 |
Originally posted by mbrutus2009:
Wait... No or yes to compromise? Lol. |
No compromise!
DPC MUST survive!
LOL!!!
Your idea for open challenges being opened up on a trial basis would be a twofold thing...
1: It could be data for the viability of the mobile thing
2: It may draw in new people who are of the more instant gratification type who may in turn stick around for the long haul.
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10/05/2017 01:40:32 PM · #83 |
Originally posted by mbrutus2009:
And as for young and ambitious, full of energy and bright ideas... That's kinda where I stop... I'm no expert when it comes to anything else. I can't code... Don't even know where to begin with half the ideas I have... I am at best a mediocre photographer... I just don't want 5 years from now it only to be you me and 5 other people trying to keep this place alive... |
I don't have any skills as an IT geek either.
There are people that we could do virtual "pavement pounding & door knocking" to work up some numbers and ideas of who's around and specifically ask them in PMs, forum threads, or polls. I would be willing to help if we can get a few people who like the idea of simply asking people they know here how they feel about stepping up and giving their views on the site and their intentions on staying.
We can start a new thread and just try to see what we can do to determine the community's thoughts.
I can spend time for a project like this. What I don't necessarily want is to be the guy in the lead.
Would you be on board for that?
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10/05/2017 01:44:50 PM · #84 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
[quote=mbrutus2009]
Would you be on board for that? |
Typically not a leader myself... I like being told what to do so that I can point the finger at someone else if the idea falls flat on its face... Lol.
Besides, the only person that matters in this whole ordeal is Langdon... Until he responds or allows us to fiddle around with some of the original code, there's nothing to talk about. It'd be useless to get this going if he's just going to be a ghost anyways...
I can be a leader to try and get everyone to message him and just blow up his messages... I'm okay to do that.. Lol. |
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10/05/2017 02:58:19 PM · #85 |
Originally posted by mbrutus2009:
Besides, the only person that matters in this whole ordeal is Langdon... Until he responds or allows us to fiddle around with some of the original code, there's nothing to talk about. It'd be useless to get this going if he's just going to be a ghost anyways...
I can be a leader to try and get everyone to message him and just blow up his messages... I'm okay to do that.. Lol. |
See, that's the thing.
This truly needs to be a community thing. This isn't something to dump in Langdon's lap.
*WE* as the community need to do the legwork to see if the interest is there and that the numbers, i.e. current paid, current registered users, and do some old fashioned forum blasting and actually contacting people. We need to just ask people we are comfortable with asking to ask their people in turn, and see what kind of response and reactions we get.
Once we have some concrete info and a proposal, THEN we could approach Langdon.
If Langdon tried to answer each and every e-mail/message/plea/whine that came his way, he'd poke his own eye out with a sharp stick out of sheer frustration and exasperation. It boggles my teeny little brain who often people gripe about not getting a sunny, personable reply about this or that inane thing that they simply require an answer to and they get all bent out of shape.
Langdon hasn't entered a challenge since 2009, put a pic in his port since 2008, has only entered 26 challenges in his whole history. For someone whdo started a photography site with a few friends to work on his photography, that sure sucks considering how long the site's been up and running. Where's his take home????
So let's do the scut work first, research our community, and get a handle on the pulse of DPC if we really want to makle something happen.
I know I could prolly approach half the folks on SC as they've been straightening out my obnoxious @$$ for years for suggestions and the like, and prolly if we weren't too much of a nuisance, they might help with data.
To really put this subject in proper perspective will require some old fashioned time and grunt work.
Anyone who wants to chime in at this point would be awesome.
Otherwise, no grumbling about the site dying.
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10/05/2017 04:05:37 PM · #86 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Anyone who wants to chime in at this point would be awesome. |
 (Sorry, I couldn't resist ...) |
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10/05/2017 04:18:18 PM · #87 |
It's not the idea that the work can't be done... I know the work can be done... Honestly, one forum post saying "I'm still here, listening" would be all that we need to feel like all the work we could potentially do for this doesn't go to the sh*thouse because he doesn't even remember his username and password (you know what I mean).
As for SC helping out... I can't imagine them not wanting to help with something like a mobile site or a mobile voting idea as I KNOW this would bump up paying members.
Yes, we may have differing views on the voting... But I think we can ALL agree that a mobile version of the site would bring at least keep the site alive for those who don't sit in front of computers for hours on end like I do.
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10/05/2017 04:42:27 PM · #88 |
Originally posted by mbrutus2009:
As for SC helping out... I can't imagine them not wanting to help with something like a mobile site or a mobile voting idea as I KNOW this would bump up paying members. |
You really do not KNOW that. You are making an assumption. People don't pay for stuff these days, remember FB, Instagram, Snapchat etc are all free. If you continue to push the mobile phone voting agenda you also run the risk of pushing some of the few long standing DPCers who do already pay away.
As for data, I'm a nerdy data person and I have been following the trends in voting numbers and such stats for a while and have it all available in a spreadsheet should anybody ever want it. As for paid members, at today's date, there are 401 paying members.
I spend half my time looking at DPC from my phone vs using the desktop. Don't really see a mobile app making a difference to that.
Message edited by author 2017-10-05 16:43:24. |
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10/06/2017 02:33:03 AM · #89 |
Originally posted by salmiakki:
As for paid members, at today's date, there are 401 paying members.
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Well that certainly explains the site owners lack of interest |
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10/06/2017 02:47:20 AM · #90 |
Originally posted by salmiakki:
Originally posted by mbrutus2009:
As for SC helping out... I can't imagine them not wanting to help with something like a mobile site or a mobile voting idea as I KNOW this would bump up paying members. |
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I spend half my time looking at DPC from my phone vs using the desktop. Don't really see a mobile app making a difference to that. |
I think we are talking about a mobile optimised version of the website rather than an app. I can see the advantage. I also spend a lot on my time on DPC on the mobile phone.
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10/06/2017 09:53:22 AM · #91 |
Originally posted by salmiakki:
If you continue to push the mobile phone voting agenda you also run the risk of pushing some of the few long standing DPCers who do already pay away. |
I'm going to actually disagree. Here's why... The members don't pay for the voting ability... They pay for the ability to enter the member challenges as well as portfolio space.
I'm not saying to get rid of the web-based version of the website. Far from it, what I'm saying is to implement a mobile-friendly layout version of the site and the ability to vote on images on your mobile device (willing to compromise as I said before on this).
401 paying members? Holy sh*t... Where are they? Cause they aren't entering challenges... They aren't voting... They are posting to the forums... They aren't viewing photos... I'm confused as to where they are?
Can someone explain where these 401 paying members are? |
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10/06/2017 10:29:46 AM · #92 |
I’m a paying member and will be here until the last hour. I don’t understand why people would pay just to vote. It makes no sense. I’ve learned so much in the past year+ and continue to learn in every challenge I enter. We may should add that this is a learning site, we may get more paying people to join. How about a little of you pros give us a boost on YouTube? That seems to draw people to different sites. Put some of our best tuts on there and direct the learning part to DPC..
Just my 2 cents. |
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10/06/2017 10:42:27 AM · #93 |
Originally posted by Cyrilda:
I’m a paying member and will be here until the last hour. I don’t understand why people would pay just to vote. It makes no sense. I’ve learned so much in the past year+ and continue to learn in every challenge I enter. We may should add that this is a learning site, we may get more paying people to join. How about a little of you pros give us a boost on YouTube? That seems to draw people to different sites. Put some of our best tuts on there and direct the learning part to DPC..
Just my 2 cents. |
I like this idea... A lot actually. I'm a huge advocate for youtube stuff.
That said I don't think it's so much a push to have people come vote... It's the push to have an easy to access and easy to use site for the masses to come get onto the site (which is why the push for mobile site is so needed). Once here, the goal is to keep them by giving them the tools to learn (which we have already with critiques and such).
The voting idea is strictly here to bring people by the masses here to give a "feel" of Instagram type ease to the site. More so an "oh this site is kinda cool, I can vote on photos I like between shifts and look at peoples photos just the same as Instagram but instead of selfies, I'm looking at beautiful landscapes and the like. And instead of just liking something I can actually vote how much I like the photo."
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10/06/2017 10:54:11 AM · #94 |
Originally posted by mbrutus2009:
It's the push to have an easy to access and easy to use site for the masses to come get onto the site ... |
I'm not sure we want "masses" -- I don't think that challenges which regularly have 500 or 2,000 or 15,000 entries would be all that great ... |
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10/06/2017 11:10:33 AM · #95 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by mbrutus2009:
It's the push to have an easy to access and easy to use site for the masses to come get onto the site ... |
I'm not sure we want "masses" -- I don't think that challenges which regularly have 500 or 2,000 or 15,000 entries would be all that great ... |
Agreed. That said, if you do want to increase the numbers, we should rebrand as "an elite photography site for only the best of the best" and make membership available by invitation only and then just spam invites to thousands of photographers. ;-) |
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10/06/2017 11:31:16 AM · #96 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Agreed. That said, if you do want to increase the numbers, we should rebrand as "an elite photography site for only the best of the best" and make membership available by invitation only and then just spam invites to thousands of photographers. ;-) |
I thought that's what we did anyway ;) |
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10/06/2017 11:53:53 AM · #97 |
Originally posted by MAK:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Agreed. That said, if you do want to increase the numbers, we should rebrand as "an elite photography site for only the best of the best" and make membership available by invitation only and then just spam invites to thousands of photographers. ;-) |
I thought that's what we did anyway ;) |
Apparently, he missed the email... ;)
As for the massive amounts of entries into challenges... Why not? What causes this to be an issue? Granted, I get the 15,000 or even over a 1,000 would be very time consuming to vote on and whatnot but why not have on average 300-400 or even 500 entries? What's the issue with it that I'm not seeing?
ETA - Go back to 2006/2007 ish time... You'll see an average of nearly 300-400... And it seemed to be the "prime time" for DPC...
Message edited by author 2017-10-06 11:56:23. |
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10/06/2017 11:56:14 AM · #98 |
| I would vote NO for a mobile app. I view images on my phone regularly, I upload pictures to the site from my phone occasionally, but I see all my entries on my computer screen before I hit enter and I vote with the same view. |
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10/06/2017 11:58:40 AM · #99 |
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
I would vote NO for a mobile app. I view images on my phone regularly, I upload pictures to the site from my phone occasionally, but I see all my entries on my computer screen before I hit enter and I vote with the same view. |
I completely understand the reason why you wouldn't want to have voting for every challenge via phone. (Especially for free study) I do... But why not have some challenges be available for mobile voting? |
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10/06/2017 12:05:12 PM · #100 |
Originally posted by mbrutus2009:
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
I would vote NO for a mobile app. I view images on my phone regularly, I upload pictures to the site from my phone occasionally, but I see all my entries on my computer screen before I hit enter and I vote with the same view. |
I completely understand the reason why you wouldn't want to have voting for every challenge via phone. (Especially for free study) I do... But why not have some challenges be available for mobile voting? |
I think people here put enough time and effort into their entries that they deserved to rated based on a full screen view. My opinion won't change. Sorry. |
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