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10/19/2017 05:20:01 PM · #26
hrmmmm...

"Your entry must be composed of two entirely separate, uncropped frames overlaid one upon the other and blended. You may not mask out or otherwise eliminate any portion of either frame except insofar as the blending does this naturally. Other than this stipulation, processing will follow the Standard Rules."

Is that workable?
10/19/2017 06:10:40 PM · #27
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

"Your entry must be composed of two entirely separate, uncropped frames overlaid one upon the other and blended. You may not mask out or otherwise eliminate any portion of either frame except insofar as the blending does this naturally. Other than this stipulation, processing will follow the Standard Rules."


This sounds interesting. So, I am clear, you can take two separate images and, other than crop, do anything legal within Standard rules to each separately (selectively lighten/darken, etc.). Then, you blend the two without masking or eliminating any parts. Right?
10/19/2017 06:18:08 PM · #28
my understanding was that you can only crop the final blend.
10/19/2017 06:25:33 PM · #29
If the "goal" is to simulate the effect of making an in-camera double-exposure then I think all PP should occur after blending -- you couldn't make a double-exposure while changing film between shutter actuations.

In fact, to be a real simulation, we could require blending of two consecutively-taken frames ...
10/19/2017 07:31:34 PM · #30
Originally posted by GeneralE:

If the "goal" is to simulate the effect of making an in-camera double-exposure then I think all PP should occur after blending -- you couldn't make a double-exposure while changing film between shutter actuations.

In fact, to be a real simulation, we could require blending of two consecutively-taken frames ...


Consecutively taken frames could still be totally unrelated. Would that still be okay?
10/19/2017 07:43:01 PM · #31
Why only 2 exposures? Jane's inspiration link earlier in the thread shows multiple exposures.

I think what people are wanting to avoid with this challenge is compositing and HDR.

Seriously, look at the 1x link Jane suggested. I think what is desired is an obvious layered/overlapping look. Don't put so many limits on it with cropping and consecutive images. Too many "rules" becomes cumbersome imo.
10/19/2017 07:49:49 PM · #32
Originally posted by jomari:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

If the "goal" is to simulate the effect of making an in-camera double-exposure then I think all PP should occur after blending -- you couldn't make a double-exposure while changing film between shutter actuations.

In fact, to be a real simulation, we could require blending of two consecutively-taken frames ...


Consecutively taken frames could still be totally unrelated. Would that still be okay?

Presumably not just OK but desirable. The two-frame and consecutive-frame ideas relate only to the "purist" approach to double-imaging, and are not necessarily suggestions for THIS challenge. But I do think all PP should come after the initial blending of frames, however many are allowed.
10/19/2017 08:51:20 PM · #33
yes, what the general said.

and not limited to 2 exposures.

but I strongly disagree that the purpose of the challenge is to simulate any kind of look, but rather to see what, within restrictions like unto film multi-exposure technique, you might come up with.

restrict the tool/method but not the result. you know, like real life. or maybe real life before we thought we could have everything...
10/19/2017 09:07:59 PM · #34
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

hrmmmm...

"Your entry must be composed of two entirely separate, uncropped frames overlaid one upon the other and blended. You may not mask out or otherwise eliminate any portion of either frame except insofar as the blending does this naturally. Other than this stipulation, processing will follow the Standard Rules."

Is that workable?

please remove that subjective restrictive language. you don't need it. who cares if you partially mask one exposure?
10/19/2017 09:58:18 PM · #35
How about.....

Blend two or more separate frames into one new image. This can be done in camera or in post processing. Standard editing applies to each frame included in the final entry.
10/19/2017 10:16:32 PM · #36
Originally posted by PennyStreet:

How about.....

Blend two or more separate frames into one new image. This can be done in camera or in post processing. Standard editing applies to each frame included in the final entry.


Yes! I love it!
10/19/2017 11:03:44 PM · #37
Originally posted by PennyStreet:

Standard editing applies to each frame included in the final entry.

I think this is more than "multiple exposure" -- this is "making a composite images. Multiple exposure implies actuating the shutter more than once and recording the results on a single piece of media/sensor. I don't think it's the same if you get to edit each exposure separately before combining.
10/19/2017 11:22:04 PM · #38
Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

hrmmmm...

"Your entry must be composed of two entirely separate, uncropped frames overlaid one upon the other and blended. You may not mask out or otherwise eliminate any portion of either frame except insofar as the blending does this naturally. Other than this stipulation, processing will follow the Standard Rules."

Is that workable?

please remove that subjective restrictive language. you don't need it. who cares if you partially mask one exposure?


only me, perhaps.
10/20/2017 12:34:57 PM · #39
Originally posted by tnun:

Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

hrmmmm...

"Your entry must be composed of two entirely separate, uncropped frames overlaid one upon the other and blended. You may not mask out or otherwise eliminate any portion of either frame except insofar as the blending does this naturally. Other than this stipulation, processing will follow the Standard Rules."

Is that workable?

please remove that subjective restrictive language. you don't need it. who cares if you partially mask one exposure?


only me, perhaps.
are you worried about that corny special effects stuff people do? Maybe if we just change the title to Blending Multiple Exposures then the voters will punish that sort of stuff, and it doesn't have to be in the rules. I'm just worried about an enforcement nightmare and photographers having to wonder about doing perfectly reasonable fades, etc.
10/20/2017 01:36:12 PM · #40
I just like the "take your chances" aspect. I don't really care about corny special effects as such - sometimes they are a happy hoot. But certainly I agree that we don't want to create verification nightmare.
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