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03/19/2018 02:28:19 PM · #1
All you pro wedding photographers...Can someone offer an opinion if it is normal to have this language in a wedding contract? I'm the one getting married, and I want to know if this is standard stuff.

Thanks-

"Model Release
The undersigned hereby give permission to '"photographer" for the unrestricted use of their photographic likeness after per use permission has been given, as well as any and all photographic images of their event created by "photographer", in all forms and media for advertising, marketing, trade, and any other lawful purpose. Clients further forever release "photographer" from any and all claims or actions arising out of or in conjunction with the use of said images after having granted permission for use."
03/19/2018 03:10:11 PM · #2
Congrats, man!

(which sums up what I know about photography contracts)
03/19/2018 03:18:42 PM · #3
Congratulations!

This photographer seems to be combining two things which I have seperate. In my main contract I state that the photographer retains copyright of the images and that the images may be used for marketing and advertising purposes only. Sometimes couples are not happy with their images being used in this way and i'm more than happy to put a clause in stating that whilst I retain the copyright I am unable to use the image for those uses. No problem with that at all.

I also have a seperate, one page, optional, 'Model Release' that they can sign if they want that allows me to sell the images through stock libraries etc. Note that only the bride and groom sign this so it wouldn't cover anyone else that is in a photo such as family or guests.

So, your photographer has combined all that and i'm not sure how common that is. But everything in it is quite common although the wording is quite harsh. Legal language often is isn't it, but I try and soften it a bit and make sure the couples know that i'm quite flexible with the contract so if there is anything they'd like put in or taken out i'm more that happy to help.

Message edited by author 2018-03-19 15:19:17.
03/19/2018 03:23:05 PM · #4
I did get him to change the language to "per use permission". So I think that is what matters the most to us at the moment. My to be wife and I aren't looking to be famous without due compensation. (chuckle).

Thanks Mita! We've only been together for about 10 years now.

Thanks Clive, was hoping you would offer your opinion. I thought the language was a bit harsh too, but at least it's very clear!
03/19/2018 06:57:36 PM · #5
Jeez Wayne !!!!! I always thought and practised in my wedding days that the Wedding photography was special to the Bride,groom and their families, and not to be touted around the globe chasing sales in adverting etc, that seems all wrong to me to prostitute their art for extra bucks, after all good photography doesnt come cheap.

David Bailey didn't do Rupert Murdochs recent wedding for peanuts..
03/19/2018 07:18:11 PM · #6
Mazel tov!!!
03/19/2018 08:25:31 PM · #7
Originally posted by kiwinick:

Jeez Wayne !!!!! I always thought and practised in my wedding days that the Wedding photography was special to the Bride,groom and their families, and not to be touted around the globe chasing sales in adverting etc, that seems all wrong to me to prostitute their art for extra bucks, after all good photography doesnt come cheap.

David Bailey didn't do Rupert Murdochs recent wedding for peanuts..


Yep, that's why I was having heart burn over it! Its's our wedding for goodness sake! Good photographers usually get more clients by word of mouth from previous clients! But even though I am on the very end of the baby boomers, I still think old fashioned.
03/19/2018 09:36:35 PM · #8
Yah... Check around and see what others may have for their fine print. It's *your* wedding, and though you may have to compensate the photog for his time and copyrights, that is just too open-ended.

Personally, it would never occur to me to use someone's special day for stock or advertising. Since you can usually get a couple of great looking kids and a thrift shop dress for peanuts, why hawk someone's special images to sell your skills?

This was my kid, a $15 thrift shop dress, and a couple hours on a Saturday afternoon. Don't let him have your images for whatever use he wants.
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YMMV.

Oh, yeah.... CONGRATS!!!

Message edited by author 2018-03-19 21:42:08.
03/19/2018 10:11:43 PM · #9
Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Yah... Check around and see what others may have for their fine print. It's *your* wedding, and though you may have to compensate the photog for his time and copyrights, that is just too open-ended.

Personally, it would never occur to me to use someone's special day for stock or advertising. Since you can usually get a couple of great looking kids and a thrift shop dress for peanuts, why hawk someone's special images to sell your skills?

This was my kid, a $15 thrift shop dress, and a couple hours on a Saturday afternoon. Don't let him have your images for whatever use he wants.
Copyrighted_Image_Reuse_Prohibited_871442.jpg      Copyrighted_Image_Reuse_Prohibited_886472.jpg      Copyrighted_Image_Reuse_Prohibited_871436.jpg


YMMV.

Oh, yeah.... CONGRATS!!!

and doesn't she look great
03/20/2018 04:09:48 AM · #10
Many congratulations Dennis. Photographers are a PITA. :)
03/20/2018 07:14:07 AM · #11
Originally posted by MAK:

Many congratulations Dennis. Photographers are a PITA. :)

Ditto all the above ;-)

I modeled mine off what clive does, just to cover my *limited* marketing use, which also includes putting select images on social media. i'm not out to give anyone heartburn.
03/20/2018 02:58:52 PM · #12
Thanks everyone! All your comments are much appreciated. I feel comfortable with the "per use permission" clause we added. All we have to do is say NO. So, the show must go on. (:
03/21/2018 01:09:54 PM · #13
CONGRATULATions, Dennis and bride!!

Please show us photos of the day!

Iím excited for you two.
03/31/2018 09:54:02 AM · #14
" for the unrestricted use of their photographic likeness after per use permission has been given"

This seems like a contradictory statement to me, how can it be both unrestricted and per use, isn't 'per use' completely restrictive by it's very nature.
03/31/2018 10:17:59 AM · #15
Originally posted by FromDaRock:

" for the unrestricted use of their photographic likeness after per use permission has been given"

This seems like a contradictory statement to me, how can it be both unrestricted and per use, isn't 'per use' completely restrictive by it's very nature.

I think the "unrestricted" refers to whether the image can be cropped or otherwise edited once permission is given, and without limitation as to quantity or type of use (web, calendar, magazine, etc.). Probably could be better-phrased though ...
04/02/2018 08:17:42 AM · #16
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by FromDaRock:

" for the unrestricted use of their photographic likeness after per use permission has been given"

This seems like a contradictory statement to me, how can it be both unrestricted and per use, isn't 'per use' completely restrictive by it's very nature.

I think the "unrestricted" refers to whether the image can be cropped or otherwise edited once permission is given, and without limitation as to quantity or type of use (web, calendar, magazine, etc.). Probably could be better-phrased though ...


Ah, now that makes sense. Not a good reading comprehension day for me apparently. :)
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