Basic Rules Revision - DPChallenge Forums

11/30/2004 06:45:59 PM · #1

The Open Challenge scheduled for tomorrow (Wednesday, December 1st) will be run under the new Basic Rules viewable here.

Most every paragraph was revised to futher clarify our original intensions. Please take some time to review the rules before submitting to the challenge.

The revised Advanced Editing Rules will be posted on Sunday night to avoid any confusion with the Landmarks Challenge.

Sincere thanks goes out to the Site Council members involved in this revision.

Tranquil

Sigma 105mm f/2.8 EX DG Macro for Canon

11/30/2004 06:52:20 PM · #2

Very well done and definitely in order. Thanks.

Slight mistake... 4th line down from the top it says "err on thee side" and it should say "the" instead of "thee".

Lee

Message edited by author 2004-11-30 18:53:31.

Kylie

Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ35

11/30/2004 07:10:53 PM · #3

OK - I am having one of those days . . .can anyone tell me the basic changes or differences in the new rules?

e301

11/30/2004 07:16:08 PM · #4

I odn't think there are any 'real' changes Kylie. It's clarification of language, rather than alteration of detail.

E

faidoi

Pentax K10D

Pentax DA 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AF

11/30/2004 07:17:33 PM · #5

Originally posted by Kylie:

OK - I am having one of those days . . .can anyone tell me the basic changes or differences in the new rules?

Ownership?

Kylie

Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ35

11/30/2004 07:19:37 PM · #6

Originally posted by e301:

I odn't think there are any 'real' changes Kylie. It's clarification of language, rather than alteration of detail.

E

Thank you . . . so I am not completely out of it today, I guess! lol

langdon

Canon EOS-20D

11/30/2004 07:20:09 PM · #7

Originally posted by Tranquil:

Slight mistake... 4th line down from the top it says "err on thee side" and it should say "the" instead of "thee".

Fixed!

prozac

Canon EF 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5 II USM

11/30/2004 07:21:56 PM · #8

Also the last statement made in bold lettering says "We will no longer accept this an excuse." Should it maybe say "this as an excuse."

Dr.Confuser

Nikon D800

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

11/30/2004 07:25:53 PM · #9

Seems more clear to me and deals with some points of contention in recent threads. Explicit reference to PS capabilities is appreciated. Thanks.

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 16-85 f/3.5-5.6G ED VR

11/30/2004 07:28:57 PM · #10

Most of the rule-changes were wording changes and clarifications but these are the major changes that stand out to me. Please note that the below is an unofficial summary provided for convenience purposes... in the event of any errors, omissions or contradictions, the challenge rules govern:

- Preamble added - To be consistent with the Advanced Editing rules, clarify that rule violations are voted by Site Council, and add the "letter and spirit" clause.

- Exposure date - Clarifies the time zone of the challenge deadlines is Eastern, but that the camera's EXIF must be set to the photographer's local time zone. Clarifies that server time is Eastern Time.

- Ownership - Section added to clarify the account owner must be the photographer and defines photographer in this context.

- Layers - Clarified that changing the opacity of a layer is permitted.

- Artwork - Clarified to better explain a literal representation in a manner consistent with the Advanced Rules.

- Disqualification - Expanded to better explain the process.

-Terry

cbeller

Nikon D300

11/30/2004 07:29:47 PM · #11

Last sentence under the ownership bullet:

If you wish collaborate with others when creating your submission, you will need express permission from the administrators beforehand.

Should be:
"If you wish to collaborate..."

Edit: Thanks to the admins and SC for all your efforts!

Message edited by author 2004-11-30 19:30:26.

11/30/2004 07:34:20 PM · #12

Thanks to all of you for spotting the typos... we'll get them fixed!

-Terry

KaDi

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

11/30/2004 07:34:44 PM · #13

O.K. Since we're proofing the copy...

"Exposure Date: Your photograph must be taken after the challenge is announced. Your camera's date and time must be set to correspond with your local timezone. If your photo was taken in a different location than indicated in your profile, be sure to specify the specific location in the submission form so that any time zone differences can be taken in to" >>into (one word)

"You may not post-process your entry from or to include elements of multiple images" >>use commas or parenthesis to enclose "or to"

one or two solid colours >>very inclusive spelling of colours : )

No text may be added to your submission. This includes copyright statements. >>The second phrase is an incomplete sentence. Consider revising it by placing a colon after "submission" or some such.

--I'm still searching for the first error I saw. I found these while doing so. Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer, but I play an English major in real life. ;-}

Edit to add:
cbeller found the one I was thinking of!

And to add: Thank you! I think this is much more clearly worded and is bound to keep us happy discussing the finer points for months to come! <>

Message edited by author 2004-11-30 19:38:00.

11/30/2004 07:39:40 PM · #14

Originally posted by KaDi:

Thanks :)

Originally posted by KaDi:

"You may not post-process your entry from or to include elements of multiple images" >>use commas or parenthesis to enclose "or to"

That one is correct. The statement is to say "...from elements of multiple images, or to include elements of multiple images." From or to include is correct.

Originally posted by KaDi:

one or two solid colours very inclusive spelling of colours : )

Ben wrote that ;-)

Originally posted by KaDi:

No text may be added to your submission. This includes copyright statements. The second phrase is an incomplete sentence. Consider revising it by placing a colon after "submission" or some such.

This is a complete sentence. Subject: This; verb: includes; object: copyright statements.

Thanks again!

-Terry

KaDi

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

11/30/2004 07:45:56 PM · #15

Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

Originally posted by KaDi:
"You may not post-process your entry from or to include elements of multiple images" >>use commas or parenthesis to enclose "or to"

That one is correct. The statement is to say "...from elements of multiple images, or to include elements of multiple images." From or to include is correct.

Reconsider. It's "awkward."

Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

Originally posted by KaDi:
No text may be added to your submission. This includes copyright statements. The second phrase is an incomplete sentence. Consider revising it by placing a colon after "submission" or some such.

This is a complete sentence. Subject: This; verb: includes; object: copyright statements.

Sssighhhhhh.....maybe you're right. (I still don't like the way it reads.)

Gauti

Canon EOS-7D

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 16-85 f/3.5-5.6G ED VR

11/30/2004 07:46:13 PM · #16

Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

- Exposure date - Clarifies the time zone of the challenge deadlines is Eastern, but that the camera's EXIF must be set to the photographer's local time zone. Clarifies that server time is Eastern Time.

in the new & improved rules:

Exposure Date: Your photograph must be taken after the challenge is announced. Your camera's date and time must be set to correspond with your local timezone. If your photo was taken in a different location than indicated in your profile, be sure to specify the specific location in the submission form so that any time zone differences can be taken in to account if it becomes necessary to validate your photo. The challenge deadlines correspond to the Current Server Time. All dates shown on the DPC web page are based on the Current Server Time, which can be found at the bottom of any page on DPChallenge. The server time corresponds with US Eastern Standard/Daylight Time.

It would make it a bit easier if the "offical" time was displayed on the DPC home page as well, so everybody can always see it. For example under Site news could be another line:
Current server time is 12.34.56 AM

cbeller

Nikon D300

11/30/2004 07:53:38 PM · #17

Originally posted by Gauti:

It would make it a bit easier if the "offical" time was displayed on the DPC home page as well, so everybody can always see it. For example under Site news could be another line:
Current server time is 12.34.56 AM

It's on every page

Gauti

Canon EOS-7D

11/30/2004 07:58:38 PM · #18

Originally posted by cbeller:

Originally posted by Gauti:

It would make it a bit easier if the "offical" time was displayed on the DPC home page as well, so everybody can always see it. For example under Site news could be another line:
Current server time is 12.34.56 AM

It's on every page

every page EXCEPT the home page
I'm about 7 hrs ahead of server time, and I don't see why I should open a page to see what the server time is. And no, I'm hopeless at calcutating time (or dates for that matter) so I must look it up.

edit: of course the time is on the front page if I'm in an challenge, and I simply click update to get the current time, but I don't enter every challenge.

Message edited by author 2004-11-30 20:00:15.

11/30/2004 08:07:13 PM · #19

Originally posted by Gauti:

It's at the bottom of the home page. Scroll all the way to the bottom and you will see:

Home - Challenges - Community - Photos - Learn - Cameras - Prints! - Help - Terms of Use - Privacy - Top ^
DPChallenge, and website content and design, Copyright © 2001-2004 Challenging Technologies, LLC.
All digital photo copyrights belong to the photographers and may not be used without permission.
Proudly hosted by Sargasso Networks. Current Server Time: 11/30/2004 08:06 PM EST. Page expelled in 0.035 secs.

Gauti

Canon EOS-7D

11/30/2004 08:16:14 PM · #20

Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

Proudly hosted by Sargasso Networks. Current Server Time: 11/30/2004 08:06 PM EST. Page expelled in 0.035 secs.

aha....
I didn't see this in the fine print :)
my mistake

But, however, my original point still stands: the current server time should be better visible on the front page.

edit ps
What is this Page expelled in 0.035 sec?
Is this one of the priviliges the SC? :) to be expelled in .035 secs :)

Message edited by author 2004-11-30 20:19:22.

dr rick

11/30/2004 08:27:37 PM · #21

If the rules are still open to revisions other than misspellings, I suggest an additional statement making it clear that transform tools (like perspective and skew) are not allowed. This has been clarified several times in the forums, but the rules are vague. These tools aren't on the "Filters" menu, and they are on the tools palette in Paint Shop Pro, so some may argue that they aren't filters. And they don't involve spot editing, selection, layers, borders, or text so aren't excluded by the other rules. Possible text:

Transformation: Tools to correct perspective, skew an image, or otherwise move pixels of your image in relation to each other are not allowed. (Rotation and scaling preserve the integrity of the image so are allowed.)

If it's past the deadline for this revision of the rules, it's probably not a big deal. But something to consider for the next time.

soup

Canon EOS-30D