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03/14/2005 12:41:29 AM · #1
As at least two people noticed, an actual Ansel Adams photograph was entered in the Ansel Adams challenge (Challenge 315). The entry, titled "Adobe" in the challenge, is better known as Church, Taos Pueblo, and can be seen at the National Archives web site.

This entry was submitted by DPChallenge from an official DPChallenge account, to see how an actual Adams photo would fare in the challenge. It has been disqualified in order to allow everyone their rightful ranking.

The entry finished in 11th place with an average vote of 6.658

Average Vote per Commenters:7.594
Average Vote per Users w/ Cameras: 6.656
Average Vote per Users w/out Cameras: 7.000

Special thanks go to bear_music for offering the suggestions and helping us make this happen.

Comments received on this entry will follow in the next post.
03/14/2005 12:42:01 AM · #2
eugene 03/13/2005 08:04:19 PM
i like the framing. excellent composition.

Imagineer 03/13/2005 06:48:57 PM
Great choice of subject and excellent light. Detail is strong and repetition of shapes is good. There appears to be some vertical striation in the sky area - quite odd. Tones are very AA.

GeneralE 03/13/2005 02:44:02 PM
I'm a fan of photos which have a repeating pattern like this

AJAger 03/12/2005 05:59:59 AM
I really like the composition and the texture in the masonry, but the sky seems to have gone a bit odd.

scottwilson 03/12/2005 01:28:44 AM
The lower part of this photo is very good, but the sky has ended up looking blotchy

stdavidson 03/11/2005 04:04:14 PM
This image is - "Church, Taos Pueblo" By Ansel Adams, New Mexico, 1942.

If we want to see how an actual Adams image will do in a challenge we are going to find out with this one. I'm guessing not a top finisher. (Score: 7)

orussell 03/11/2005 10:54:51 AM
I love the image. Too bad that there's lots of artifacts and vertical banding in you sky (very strange effect from a camera - I've seen scanners do this - please don't take this as an accusation, it's not). Again very lovely image.

alien2thisworld 03/11/2005 08:37:40 AM
Composition: 9, Love the framing of the first door
Technical: 8, Great tone range. Only thing I can suggest is to decrease the jpeg compression slightly so the shades in the sky are a little smoother
Appeal: 9
Challenge: 10, Shot could be directly out of Ansel's camera if I didn't know better
Overall Calculated Average Score: 9

rhipster 03/11/2005 03:55:06 AM
Great Adams style work. Strange effect to see the top part of the church dark and the lower part well lit. Is this natural?. I love the texture of the materials.

jrtodd 03/10/2005 04:47:57 PM
Very nice, very AA. A little more to the left and it is. This is my highest scoring photo.

hyperfocal 03/10/2005 11:38:44 AM
My pick for the best of the challenge. Great Work.

Telehubbie 03/10/2005 11:37:29 AM
I loved Ansels photo of this same spot. I can't find it anywhere online to compare, but very nicely done and true to the original from what I remember.

MWitt 03/10/2005 11:21:59 AM
Excellent! Did you take measurements or what? (: I have this photo and it looks like you took it at the exact same spot and time as Ansel did. 10

vtruan 03/10/2005 07:11:09 AM
Quite nice, fite the challenge well.

SnapperL 03/10/2005 06:37:59 AM
i like the view "through a window" in this shot. It works. I also like the tops that compliment each other in there likeness of each other. it is interesting how in the window on the barn is much lighter then outside of the window. Is this how the photo took or was this a play with PS? - 7

aguapreta 03/10/2005 04:56:58 AM
Great shot.

Gallatin 03/09/2005 10:42:42 PM
Nice work

AndrewTO 03/09/2005 05:50:18 PM
Very interesting composition. (9)

nordicgirl 03/09/2005 11:01:37 AM
Its very nice compozition... but something wrong with sky...spotted in strange colors.

Sonda 03/09/2005 12:08:57 AM
Is this a copy of one of his?? :) j/k .. Really good imitation.. I love this type of shot. Perfect detail and tonal range. GL

micknewton 03/08/2005 08:21:19 PM
I love everything about this photo... except for the sky. The green and gray jagginess doesn't fit the rest of the image IMHO. A very nice photo otherwise.

shutterfly 03/08/2005 02:14:18 PM
Wow, I think Ansel himself stood right where you did.

Jutilda 03/08/2005 08:51:58 AM
Great placement of the opening in the forefront - almost like a duplicate of the one in the background. Nice contrast. Really well done!

beautyqn25 03/07/2005 10:46:02 PM
Excellent comp!

jenesis 03/07/2005 10:29:37 PM
Gorgeous composition and wonderful subject matter.

bpickard 03/07/2005 05:48:32 PM
Zonally, this runs counter to most images in the challenge as light is the key here although you have skillfully included the other end of the spectrum to balance the image. Excellent composition here which sets it apart from much of he competition. Top 5

K-Rob 03/07/2005 05:36:28 PM
LOL! That's just simply not fair! Besides actually being in Yosemity Park this is the best place to take a picture that is Ansel-ish huh? Very nice. The lighting is where it needs to be but I'm noticing some color cast in the sky portion of the photo. You may want to consider recalibrating your monitor (unless you intended it that way but I doubt that).

Xilebo 03/07/2005 02:39:44 PM
Very nice although I cannot help feeling the image is tilted

charliebaker 03/07/2005 12:49:40 PM
Excellent choice and technique for this challenge. Clouds would have given this photo an additional push. The inner door is distracting to me, seems out of place in the adobe world. I like the contrasts of light/dark in this photo.

neophyte 03/07/2005 11:52:19 AM
Well Framed! Good black and white!

pawdrix 03/07/2005 09:27:34 AM
Looks familiar...

fotoshootme 03/07/2005 08:17:22 AM
I love this except the sky looks very pixelated..

nards656 03/07/2005 08:04:55 AM
Caughtcha, Ansel :) You go back and rest in peace, now.

heatherd 03/07/2005 01:31:33 AM
I love the contrast against the back of the church, is this in New Mexico?

bobdaveant 03/07/2005 12:05:58 AM
Wonderful reproduction.
03/14/2005 12:44:22 AM · #3
jejeje™

Fooled 'em with the non-landscape, we did...

Great fun and very interesting. I'm relieved to see Ansel did well. It was unfortunately not a great reproduction (had to sample up in size), so it woudl no doubt have done better if taken from a "real" print.

Robt.
03/14/2005 12:46:04 AM · #4
Way too cool! Thanks, I love it!!!
03/14/2005 12:46:32 AM · #5
just shows that 10 people can rack up votes better than one of the great photographers of our time.

or it shows how easily people are fooled.

James
03/14/2005 12:46:57 AM · #6
HAHAHAHA! That's hilarious. Note that this is quite a savvy group. Most commenters were right on the money.
03/14/2005 12:48:33 AM · #7
Thank you sooo much for doing this.
03/14/2005 12:51:26 AM · #8
tsk tsk tsk ... shame on you :P
lol I am happy I didn't commented on THAT one *grin*
03/14/2005 12:51:32 AM · #9
An excellent idea. I'm glad you did it. The comments were great to read and very savy.
03/14/2005 12:53:44 AM · #10
Something was lost in the translation of this photo, the sky as posted looked pretty bad, if it had been resized and saved with a bit more care I think this would have captured as ribbon, as it should have.

A number of us commanded that the sky was out of sorts compared to the rest of the photo.
03/14/2005 12:56:49 AM · #11
I knew what it was when I commented, but said what I think I would have said anyway ... : )
03/14/2005 01:00:47 AM · #12
It actually finished higher than I thought it would. I figured it would get clobbered for the pixelated sky. Nice to know that Ansel can score well in his own challenge. :)

Message edited by author 2005-03-14 01:01:43.
03/14/2005 01:01:17 AM · #13
Great idea and very refreshing to notice that voters here or at least the comenters were fair and bang on.. nice one SC and Mr Bear_Music
03/14/2005 01:02:36 AM · #14
Brilliant. Good call.
03/14/2005 01:03:05 AM · #15
Originally posted by scottwilson:

Something was lost in the translation of this photo, the sky as posted looked pretty bad, if it had been resized and saved with a bit more care I think this would have captured as ribbon, as it should have.

A number of us commanded that the sky was out of sorts compared to the rest of the photo.


Yes, it was very difficult to find an AA that was not instantly recognizable at anywhere NEAR 640-pixel size on the web. I had to upsample it quite a bit, and for obvious reasons I didn't feel right doing any other post-processing on Ansel's work...

As I stated earlier, with a proper reproduction this would have done even better. In any event I think the point was made. We're all glad as can be that a non-typical (read "non-landscape") actual Ansel finished near the very top even though the image was somewhat flawed through no fault of his. It speaks well of the DPC voters, soesn't it?

Robt.

Message edited by author 2005-03-14 01:03:43.
03/14/2005 01:08:26 AM · #16
Originally posted by bear_music:

Originally posted by scottwilson:

Something was lost in the translation of this photo, the sky as posted looked pretty bad, if it had been resized and saved with a bit more care I think this would have captured as ribbon, as it should have.

A number of us commanded that the sky was out of sorts compared to the rest of the photo.


Yes, it was very difficult to find an AA that was not instantly recognizable at anywhere NEAR 640-pixel size on the web. I had to upsample it quite a bit, and for obvious reasons I didn't feel right doing any other post-processing on Ansel's work...

As I stated earlier, with a proper reproduction this would have done even better. In any event I think the point was made. We're all glad as can be that a non-typical (read "non-landscape") actual Ansel finished near the very top even though the image was somewhat flawed through no fault of his. It speaks well of the DPC voters, soesn't it?

Robt.


But, the one from the link at the beginning of the thread is 600x801. Why couldn't you downsample that one instead?
03/14/2005 01:08:35 AM · #17
Originally posted by bear_music:

[quote=scottwilson] Yes, it was very difficult to find an AA that was not instantly recognizable at anywhere NEAR 640-pixel size on the web. I had to upsample it quite a bit, and for obvious reasons I didn't feel right doing any other post-processing on Ansel's work...

As I stated earlier, with a proper reproduction this would have done even better. In any event I think the point was made. We're all glad as can be that a non-typical (read "non-landscape") actual Ansel finished near the very top even though the image was somewhat flawed through no fault of his. It speaks well of the DPC voters, soesn't it?

Robt.


It does inded speak well of the voters. I hate to open a can of worms but I am very curious, did Adams get any 1’s.
03/14/2005 01:17:00 AM · #18
Originally posted by scottwilson:

Originally posted by bear_music:

[quote=scottwilson] Yes, it was very difficult to find an AA that was not instantly recognizable at anywhere NEAR 640-pixel size on the web. I had to upsample it quite a bit, and for obvious reasons I didn't feel right doing any other post-processing on Ansel's work...

As I stated earlier, with a proper reproduction this would have done even better. In any event I think the point was made. We're all glad as can be that a non-typical (read "non-landscape") actual Ansel finished near the very top even though the image was somewhat flawed through no fault of his. It speaks well of the DPC voters, soesn't it?

Robt.


It does inded speak well of the voters. I hate to open a can of worms but I am very curious, did Adams get any 1’s.


And, I know it wont happen, but could you also reveal who gave out the 1's.
03/14/2005 01:20:50 AM · #19
lol.. Glad you did this :)
03/14/2005 01:27:01 AM · #20
This was one of my favorite Ansel prints and I recognized it right away. I thought somebody did a helluva job recreating it. I had a print of this stored in the garage since we moved, and brought it out to compare. This is my first (and only) DQ request when I compared Ansel's and this one and realized it was a copy! How can the place stay exactly the same after 63 years?
03/14/2005 01:50:43 AM · #21
Just wanted to add my voice to say that this is one of the coolest things I've ever seen on this site.

Is there any way we could make a permanent note somewhere in the AA challenge page to acknowledge this or would it be too much of a coding hassle ?

Message edited by author 2005-03-14 01:52:54.
03/14/2005 01:58:37 AM · #22
What a great idea on a fantastic challenge. I agree it would be good to flag this somehow also would be nice to know how many DQ were requested.
03/14/2005 01:59:22 AM · #23
I (as well as many others I'm sure) didn't get a chance to look at/vote/comment on all entries into this challenge. Thus I haven't seen this shot. Would it be too much to ask to put it into this active accounts portfolio and link to it here?

Edit: Heesh I'm tired. Still would like to see the entry as entered...

Message edited by author 2005-03-14 02:03:17.
03/14/2005 02:07:27 AM · #24
How ironic then that his tasteful shot would have been hammered by so much toy town, super-edited, Photoshop junk.
03/14/2005 02:07:31 AM · #25
I didn't give them a downsampling of the national Archives image because I didn't come across it in the (short) timespan I had to search in. The one I found was pretty good, I thought at the time. I had waded through dozens and dozens of pages looking for the right image. I wish I'd found the National Archives one.

I don't think they can include the image as a permanent part of the challenge because there are copyright issues. The Estate of Ansel Adams is still very much in control of his images. There was some discussion of not even DOING this, I believe, and I think SC and Drew/Langdon decided it would be ok if we removed the image as soon as voting was finisheda nd results were posted.

Robt.
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