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10/25/2005 03:05:51 PM · #1 |
I'm beginning to think DPC is a complete joke. I got a DQ today on absolutely false judgement that I had used spot editting on a photo. I was debating on becoming a paid member, but I'm having serious doubts about it now.
Not understanding a technique is not grounds for a DQ. |
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10/25/2005 03:12:33 PM · #2 |
| All you have to do it send your original and it will be validated. I don't see what the big deal is? Your photo seemed to have spot editing to them, so prove it and move on. It is wrong to insult the entire website because of a challenge entry. |
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10/25/2005 03:15:44 PM · #3 |
| I did send proof for validation amd post-processing. Still, got the DQ. I'm just appauled that a serious misjudgement occured. |
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10/25/2005 03:18:39 PM · #4 |
Can you post your original and edited versions somewhere?
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10/25/2005 03:19:52 PM · #5 |
Yeah, let's have a look. Was it in the current reflection challenge?
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10/25/2005 03:20:02 PM · #6 |
| Sure, ya'll make the judgment. I have it on my photography blog at //www.polishedtool.com/archives/1-Welcome-to-Polished-Tool.html |
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10/25/2005 03:20:41 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
I did send proof for validation amd post-processing. Still, got the DQ. I'm just appauled that a serious misjudgement occured. |
Would you like to know privately why we believe your photo was edited outside the Basic Rules?
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10/25/2005 03:21:19 PM · #8 |
| If you really feel that your picture has been DQ'ed for the wrong reasons, you should talk to the SC or the adm. about it. |
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10/25/2005 03:22:21 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
I'm beginning to think DPC is a complete joke. I got a DQ today on absolutely false judgement that I had used spot editing on a photo. |
Maybe the joke's on us? With the editing details you provided, we were unable to reasonably reproduce your entry from the original without spot editing. If you can provide steps that would allow us to achieve the same results, we can try it again. |
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10/25/2005 03:22:35 PM · #10 |
| I'd just as soon know publicly. |
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10/25/2005 03:22:39 PM · #11 |
| I can't imagine why it woudl be disqualified, but i'm sure you probably got bit by the definition of 'major element' somewhere somehow... |
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10/25/2005 03:24:56 PM · #12 |
| Nope, it was a spot editting DQ |
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10/25/2005 03:25:24 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
I'm beginning to think DPC is a complete joke. I got a DQ today on absolutely false judgement that I had used spot editing on a photo. |
Maybe the joke's on us? With the editing details you provided, we were unable to reasonably reproduce your entry from the original without spot editing. If you can provide steps that would allow us to achieve the same results, we can try it again. |
So that's how you guys determine if it meets the rules or not? Heaven help us if we're better at post-processing the SC...
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10/25/2005 03:26:31 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by frisca:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
I did send proof for validation amd post-processing. Still, got the DQ. I'm just appauled that a serious misjudgement occured. |
Would you like to know privately why we believe your photo was edited outside the Basic Rules? |
Shouldn't he have already been told if he has been DQ ?? |
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10/25/2005 03:27:41 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I can't imagine why it woudl be disqualified, but i'm sure you probably got bit by the definition of 'major element' somewhere somehow... |
If you read the first post, he says he was DQ'd for spot editing. This is just my personal opinion, but I usually try to read a post before I respond to it. Otherwise you risk looking like you're pushing an agenda. But that's just my personal, subjective opinion.
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10/25/2005 03:30:04 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by MeThoS:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
I'm beginning to think DPC is a complete joke. I got a DQ today on absolutely false judgement that I had used spot editing on a photo. |
Maybe the joke's on us? With the editing details you provided, we were unable to reasonably reproduce your entry from the original without spot editing. If you can provide steps that would allow us to achieve the same results, we can try it again. |
So that's how you guys determine if it meets the rules or not? Heaven help us if we're better at post-processing the SC... |
That's why we request detailed post processing steps.
How would YOU determine a spot editing violation occurred where its not obvious on the finished product?
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10/25/2005 03:30:43 PM · #17 |
| I got a DQ request, and was hoping that I remembered all the steps I did to the photo so SC would be able to re-do what I did. I guess they did, I didn't get DQed. So,I write or look at the history before I forget what I did. |
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10/25/2005 03:33:12 PM · #18 |
Let's make it real clear. I was DQd for Spot Editting. I know that. I submitted the original for validation, plus post-processing details of upiing brightness and contrast.
I was n't able to provide details on how much I upped those values, spent at least an hour tweaking the two settings. I don't belive the shot is perfect. There are still shadows (bottom left) that I would have spot-editted out if I were able to spot edit. So, in my opinion that validates the DQ being BS to me.
Message edited by author 2005-10-25 15:34:57. |
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10/25/2005 03:34:35 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by frisca:
Originally posted by MeThoS:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
I'm beginning to think DPC is a complete joke. I got a DQ today on absolutely false judgement that I had used spot editing on a photo. |
Maybe the joke's on us? With the editing details you provided, we were unable to reasonably reproduce your entry from the original without spot editing. If you can provide steps that would allow us to achieve the same results, we can try it again. |
So that's how you guys determine if it meets the rules or not? Heaven help us if we're better at post-processing the SC... |
That's why we request detailed post processing steps.
How would YOU determine a spot editing violation occurred where its not obvious on the finished product? |
Well by looking at both his images on his site, I don't see any violation. Of coarse the raw version is small, but the big version has tons of stuff I would want to spot edit. I also don't keep track of of evey step I do in photoshop. Nor do I think you should have to. If it's not obvious then how do YOU tell? And if it's not obvious, then how or why was it set up for a DQ?
Message edited by author 2005-10-25 15:38:49.
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10/25/2005 03:35:49 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by vtruan:
I got a DQ request, and was hoping that I remembered all the steps I did to the photo so SC would be able to re-do what I did. I guess they did, I didn't get DQed. So,I write or look at the history before I forget what I did. |
Photoshop 7 has a history list? I'll have to figure out how to get at it. So far I've only ever 'estimated' my steps. I guess I've been lucky, because I've had about half a dozen shots validated.
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10/25/2005 03:39:10 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by frisca:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I can't imagine why it woudl be disqualified, but i'm sure you probably got bit by the definition of 'major element' somewhere somehow... |
If you read the first post, he says he was DQ'd for spot editing. This is just my personal opinion, but I usually try to read a post before I respond to it. Otherwise you risk looking like you're pushing an agenda. But that's just my personal, subjective opinion. |
That often includes removing a major element. I have seen 'major element' issues that are all over the board is why I brought it up. |
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10/25/2005 03:40:30 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
I was n't able to provide details on how much I upped those values, spent at least an hour tweaking the two settings. I don't belive the shot is perfect. There are still shadows (bottom left) that I would have spot-editted out if I were able to spot edit. So, in my opinion that validates the DQ being BS to me. |
It's my understanding that DQs result from a majority vote of the SC once the original and editing steps have been submitted by the photographer. Now the SC are a bunch of pretty decent folks - I've met at least one of them - so I'd have to give the benefit of the doubt since a majority of them must have felt that this image violated the basic rules. I'm sure they have better things to do than construct conspiracies against innocent members. |
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10/25/2005 03:40:39 PM · #23 |
Well, since you already posted the shot publicly...
You indicated that you made the background white using only brightness and contrast levels. However, your entry had hard edges in the previously smooth background (emphasized here) that appear to be the result of spot editing. It doesn't seem possible for global changes to brightness and contrast to leave these hard edges.
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10/25/2005 03:40:59 PM · #24 |
Sounds like SC couldn't replicate the white background the same way the steps that fotomann_forever did.
I still don't understand why they would not inform him of the reason in enough detail so it doen't get dragged into the forums.
edit : too slow,like scalvert said.
Message edited by author 2005-10-25 15:43:50. |
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10/25/2005 03:41:48 PM · #25 |
How did you get the background white except for the two areas at the bottom of the wrench right next to the wrench using only brightness/contrast? In the original these two areas blend into the background, whereas in your finished version they are rather delimited. Using only brightness/contrast on the whole picture, how could you get it to be that way?
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