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05/09/2006 11:40:10 AM · #1 |
My DPCinema entry is doing pretty good (for me) but the comments are numerous, a sign of an image that moves people - good or bad. And in this case all the comments are all 10% good - be it 'i like it' or one that give 4 reasons why they like it.
So i would expect a 6+ score - based on past experience in similar situations if nothing else.
So why am I hovering in the mid 5s?
If you like, show it - more 10s please.
They cost you no more to give out than a 5 or 6. really.
Giving is better than receiving.
You get what you give.
Treat others as you'd have them treat you.
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05/09/2006 11:45:11 AM · #2 |
Welcome to the club. I usually get mostly "I like it" comments, with the occasional people who don't. Some challenges all I get are positive comments. However, I have never scored above a 6. I don't vary much at all. Here are all my scores since I started (in chronological order):
5.265
5.477
5.096
4.918
5.319
5.244
5.348
5.188
5.376
5.288
5.674
4.484
Not to mention I've had 7 photographs selected as favorites, and two people select me as a fav photographer. I'm not much of a role model shooting mid to low 5s.
Message edited by author 2006-05-09 11:47:08. |
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05/09/2006 11:48:23 AM · #3 |
LOL - I know what you mean. My latest vote put me at a 5.000 (up from 4.94), and I've got four positive comments and zero critiques. I'm left scratching my head about what could possibly be wrong with it? Since no one has bothered to tell me.
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05/09/2006 12:04:38 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
My DPCinema entry is doing pretty good (for me) but the comments are numerous, a sign of an image that moves people - good or bad. And in this case all the comments are all 10% good - be it 'i like it' or one that give 4 reasons why they like it.
So why am I hovering in the mid 5s? |
The reason is simple. DPCers, as a general rule, underrate images when scoring.
Most believe that DPC images, regardless of how good they are as a group, should have scores clustering around the mathematical midpoint of 5.5. After over 131 million votes cast, the average DPC score given is 5.23 which is even below that.
Few voters believe that a "good" image should be given a 10 despite that fact that is the site definition. They think it means impossibly great so rarely give them out.
Message edited by author 2006-05-09 12:05:36.
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05/09/2006 12:06:02 PM · #5 |
| "I like it" doesn't usually translate to votes of 10. For that, you need "I absolutely LOVE it" comments. ;-) |
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05/09/2006 12:06:57 PM · #6 |
Shoot a picture for yourself, not for a virtual ribbon, and you will have less stress, more happiness, and a self gratifacation.
This is a place to learn, not to market.
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05/09/2006 12:11:10 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by American_Horse:
and a self gratifacation. |
OK, I'm convinced :-P
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05/09/2006 12:13:54 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by American_Horse:
Shoot a picture for yourself, not for a virtual ribbon, and you will have less stress, more happiness, and a self gratifacation.
This is a place to learn, not to market. |
Totally agree with that. My first submission had a score of 4.8 and I didn't care. The persons who commented on my photo were most of the time positive about it and liked it. The score isn't the important thing of the challenges, the fun is the most important thing. I enjoy thinking of what would be a good idea and shooting the photo. Allright, I'm happy with my first 6+ now in the cinema challenge, but if I'd get a lower score I would be as satisfied as I am now.
Message edited by author 2006-05-09 12:19:28. |
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05/09/2006 12:17:32 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
"I like it" doesn't usually translate to votes of 10. For that, you need "I absolutely LOVE it" comments. ;-) |
"I absolutely LOVE it" is an 8 to 9 from me. A 10 is more like "WOW!! OMG this is so amazingly stunning and out of this world. Will you marry me?" :) |
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05/09/2006 12:19:12 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by American_Horse:
Shoot a picture for yourself, not for a virtual ribbon, and you will have less stress, more happiness, and a self gratifacation.
This is a place to learn, not to market. |
I do.
But i'm in this League Of Death thing...I'm up against Qart, the #3 seed. I'm dead meat at 5.5-5.7. His last 10 entries ALL exceeded 6.5, and the last 2 BOTH broke 7.
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05/09/2006 12:22:10 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by kiwiness:
"I absolutely LOVE it" is an 8 to 9 from me. A 10 is more like "WOW!! OMG this is so amazingly stunning and out of this world. Will you marry me?" :) |
Thanks, but I'm already hitched. ;-P |
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05/09/2006 12:23:42 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by kiwiness:
"I absolutely LOVE it" is an 8 to 9 from me. A 10 is more like "WOW!! OMG this is so amazingly stunning and out of this world. Will you marry me?" :) |
Thanks, but I'm already hitched. ;-P |
uhhh, no offense, but that'd be a major downgrade :-P
Message edited by author 2006-05-09 12:24:51.
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05/09/2006 12:29:25 PM · #13 |
| An observation; a 5-something score at DPC translates to "Darned good photo, just doesn't interest me". 4.xxx means "decent photo". 6.xxx is a magnificent photo and 7+ is gallery material! The same photos in other venues score significantly better. DPC manages to promote a climate of excellence and it takes some time to become accustomed to the low bias voting scale. |
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05/09/2006 12:32:02 PM · #14 |
liking a picture in a challenge does NOT mean that it deserves a 10, it can be a nice picture, but there can be flaws, bad postprocessing, bad lighting, bad compositions and so on...
that does not mean that you can't like the picture, but it does mean that you can't give it a 10 if it aint perfect :)
I think I've given less than ten times 10 in the past year I've been on DPC.
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05/09/2006 12:40:17 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
My DPCinema entry is doing pretty good (for me) but the comments are numerous, a sign of an image that moves people - good or bad. And in this case all the comments are all 10% good - be it 'i like it' or one that give 4 reasons why they like it.
So i would expect a 6+ score - based on past experience in similar situations if nothing else. |
When viewed in the totality of the scoring scheme, a 6+ score would put one in the upper crust of the photos taken. The question that you need to ask yourself is... Is this photo truly deserving a position in the upper strata of all the images taken in this challenge... and, unfortunately, you will not know that till after the challenge.
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
So why am I hovering in the mid 5s?. |
Again, once must consider the fact that each vote score is specific to the challenge. Also, when we consider that the average photo recieves approximately 200 votes, and that these are chosen randomly, it could be that the images you submit do not yet possess that "WOW" factor that appeals to the majority of the voters... Lord knows mine don't.
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
If you like, show it - more 10s please.
They cost you no more to give out than a 5 or 6. really.
Giving is better than receiving.
You get what you give.
Treat others as you'd have them treat you. |
It is quite possible that I might truly like your photo, but it does not necessarily follow that I would give it a 10. Liking comes in degrees, which vary substantially from one voter to the next.
I will not engage in the debate regarding "Giving is Better than Receiving"... or "You Get What You Give" since we could be here for a while. I will however suggest that I certainly do not expect to receive the same level of scoring to that I would dole out to any image with the qualities of a "Scalvert", "Kiwiness" "Bear_Music" or "Librodo,to name but a few, as I am truly inferior in all aspects to those Masters.
In conclusion, while I do dole out what I percieve to be my fair share of 10 scores... I am not inclined to up my score just for the sake of reaching some magical plateau. I am convinced that I am honest and fair in my voting practices, and have remained constant notwitstanding my limited knowledge. In addition, if I were to alter my views in this regard and start meting out a bevy of 10 scores, it is my contention that doing so would "cheapen" the value of the "10" I do give some images.
Would I like to break a 6.0 score... you bet... but I honestly cannot say that to date I have deserved it(albeit I truly did believe I did in the past). It could be your images truly do warrant higher scores... but such is the peril of submitting photos to a site where the knowledge base is so diverse.
Good luck to you and keep shooting... it will come.
Ray |
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05/09/2006 12:41:09 PM · #16 |
| Liking it doesn't necessarily mean it deserves a high score. Someone may like a photo personally because of the subject matter but at the same time recognize that it's a bad or average photo for other reasons (e.g., technical). |
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05/09/2006 12:51:43 PM · #17 |
Positive comments can be even better than a great score, it is a personal and emotional connection to your picture...
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05/09/2006 12:55:02 PM · #18 |
Well, if 90% of the people voting thought that your photo was nice, but only deserved an 8 score - you would probably still have a good shot at a ribbon, woudln't you?
10's are overrated. |
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05/09/2006 01:11:21 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by kiwiness:
Originally posted by scalvert:
"I like it" doesn't usually translate to votes of 10. For that, you need "I absolutely LOVE it" comments. ;-) |
"I absolutely LOVE it" is an 8 to 9 from me. A 10 is more like "WOW!! OMG this is so amazingly stunning and out of this world. Will you marry me?" :) |
Take note that kiwiness' average score given is nearly 6 and is over .7 points higher than what the average DPC voter gives. Does he understand good photography better than the rest of us or not?
Message edited by author 2006-05-09 13:12:04.
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05/09/2006 01:14:30 PM · #20 |
| I only give 10's to photographers with expensive cameras. |
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05/09/2006 01:23:38 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by jhonan:
I only give 10's to photographers with expensive cameras. |
Me too, but only if the photo is straight from (expensive) camera. |
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05/09/2006 01:47:13 PM · #22 |
Chris,
I went over the last 10 entries you have and I think you have quite a bit of potential. Your problem, however, is not concentrating on the details each and every entry. Your entries run hot or cold. First, you have 3 6+ entries in the last 10. That certainly counts for something on this site. I'm sure there are lots of people who enter regularly who don't have more than 1 6+ for every 20 entries (if that). You clearly have the rule of thirds down and use it well. I could see that in 3 seconds.
Here's a very brief rundown of your entries:
Yellow - actually liked this one, should have been higher.
2002- a snapshot. colors are blah and we see neither subject's face and thus cannot engage the situation at all.
Water - potential, but not a "wow" subject. I actually goofed in CS2 with a selective desat version to bring out the red. The rest of the colors are blah.
Duotones - bad subject. nothing for the eye to concentrate on. no "wow".
Abstract - blown highlights, questionable choice of color cast.
Free Study X - 6+ shot.
Road - I really liked this one, but should have been B&W. those bare branches in that pale brown do nothing.
Best of 2005 - 6+ shot.
Burst of Color - 6+ shot
Mother - poor focus.
So I think we can boil it down to this:
3 shots 6+, excellent.
2 shots basic issues (focus, highlights)
2 shots could have improved with PP choices.
2 shots uninspired subject
1 shot should have done better.
So really only 2 of the shots were dead pixels walking with no real chance once the shot was taken. The rest either did well or could have done better with PP or better exposure, focus etc.
Hang in there. I'm sure you can be a regular 6+ guy if you keep at it. |
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05/09/2006 02:49:22 PM · #23 |
Your 2002 shot is great. Don't "improve" yourself right out of what makes you distinct and interesting. What is with people needing to see faces? The human body is so expressive on its own, and is more likely to tell a story honestly than a face is.
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05/09/2006 06:12:15 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by kiwiness:
"I absolutely LOVE it" is an 8 to 9 from me. A 10 is more like "WOW!! OMG this is so amazingly stunning and out of this world. Will you marry me?" :) |
that's how i do it too. 10s are reserved for the absolutely stunning, ones you can't tear yourself away from. images that make you gasp with their beauty or power. they are few and far between, and often don't get ribbons.
i'm addicted to the update button, but tend to forget the score pretty quickly - it's the comments i want. (mind you, my 6+ on windows was very very nice!)
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05/09/2006 06:25:35 PM · #25 |
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