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05/12/2002 08:59:49 AM · #1
i'd like people to post to this thread only if they agree with the following:

six days of waiting for submissions is too long. this means that monday morning when everyone's at work, the voting opens. this isnt the best time to slack off at work, i find. one less day would place the voting on sunday, a day on which one can sit down and take time looking at each picture. voting just sucks at work. i get called on slacking every time, even though my boss is cool about it.

and perhaps then the voting would get done in two days, based on the fact that some people dont share this problem on mondays and some people do. there would then be two differing schedules at the beginning of the voting period, instead of the end.

five days of submissions means more quality shots, because i bet that people that take the good ones know what they wanted to do on the first or second day of the challenge. its not like you need two non-working days to take a single picture - you'll still have your saturdays free.

so again i ask kindly you not to post in disagreement. start another thread or something.
05/12/2002 09:01:22 AM · #2
WHY, WHAT A MARVELOUS IDEA, YOUNG CHAP!

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05/12/2002 09:13:44 AM · #3
DPCHALLENGE-FAQ
DPChallenge is based on a 7 day rotation. Photographers have exactly one week to submit their entries for the next challenge. While they're busying finding their entries, voters have those seven days to rate entries for the current challenge as well as to view the winners from the last challenge. To give the photographers a little more creative room, we allow them to see the next-coming challenge.
05/12/2002 09:56:53 AM · #4
I vote for jon to be banned from the forums.
05/12/2002 10:09:19 AM · #5
Actually, i think having something like simultaneous challenges would be a better idea. For example, have a 'Wednesday challenge' that starts and ends on Wednesday. Or maybe (eventually) 2 or 3 more challenges per week, each running for however long they wanted (beginner challenge, expert challenge, etc). Unfortunately this would require a pretty big overhaul of the site and i'm sure our admins are already busy enough with their respective Sharons and what-not.
05/12/2002 11:00:02 AM · #6
i like the simul challenge idea. but one way to do this already is to use more than one site.
05/12/2002 11:10:11 AM · #7
well. now that my thread is fubar. THANKS FOR THE POSITIVE INPUT, KEE ! quoting the faq, as if i hadn't read it. no wonder ryan begged lang to delete the old folks' accounts.


> and i'm sure our admins are already busy enough with their respective Sharons and what-not.

indeed. yet the change i propose is small, and more of a convenience than some kind of restructuring of the site code. it'd probably take a week in asp anyways. nuts to that.

the only "downside" i'd see is less submissions (sweet jesus no, not that).
05/12/2002 02:01:40 PM · #8
Originally posted by jonathans:
i'd like people to post to this thread only if they agree with the following:

Since there have already been other dissenting votes, I'll add my 2¢.

six days of waiting for submissions is too long. this means that monday morning when everyone's at work, the voting opens. this isnt the best time to slack off at work, i find. one less day would place the voting on sunday, a day on which one can sit down and take time looking at each picture. voting just sucks at work. i get called on slacking every time, even though my boss is cool about it.

and perhaps then the voting would get done in two days, based on the fact that some people dont share this problem on mondays and some people do. there would then be two differing schedules at the beginning of the voting period, instead of the end.


So don't vote at work. :-)

It takes me most of the week to vote, including the time spent making comments. I started Monday before work and finished yesterday with the last of my comments.

five days of submissions means more quality shots, because i bet that people that take the good ones know what they wanted to do on the first or second day of the challenge. its not like you need two non-working days to take a single picture - you'll still have your saturdays free.

I searched through the last seven challenges for which we have results. (Prior to then, the challenges seem to have been longer than one week.) I don't think your hypothesis that the good shots get taken before Sunday holds up. Of the top three photos for each challenge 5 out of 21 were taken on Sunday. Two of those were the top photos in their respective challenges.

so again i ask kindly you not to post in disagreement. start another thread or something.

Unfortunately, two threads with everyone agreeing with each other generate far less useful discussion than one thread with both groups. It would probably be more useful to be able to tell Drew and Langdon that “I started a thread about this and, of the X people who cared enough to respond, Y of them liked my idea.”
05/12/2002 02:05:06 PM · #9
for some of us it does take more than one day to take a photo. that's the whole point of this for me. take your time and improve your photos.
05/12/2002 03:59:15 PM · #10
not a bad idea there jonboy. i would not be opposed to such a change, although i dont really experience any troubles getting the voting done throughout the week, starting on monday. hell, i dont feel like being at work on mondays anyway. but really, i dont think the way it works now is all that bad. i'd rather see D&L put their time into allowing an UPDATE option for our submissions, so that we dont have to repost the whole dang thing whenever we want to make a change. time much better spent there, imho.

05/12/2002 06:03:09 PM · #11
When you get to be 34-40.....trust me, it won't seem so old.

Originally posted by jonathans:
[i]well. now that my thread is fubar. THANKS FOR THE POSITIVE INPUT, KEE ! quoting the faq, as if i hadn't read it. no wonder ryan begged lang to delete the old folks' accounts.



05/12/2002 06:17:17 PM · #12
Snip>...THANKS FOR THE POSITIVE INPUT, KEE ! quoting the faq, as if i hadn't read it. *) I didn't know if you'd read it or not...?

Snip>...i'd like people to post to this thread only if they agree with the following. *)You can't dictate what and where people post. They have to agree with you and be your age or they're out???

Snip>...delete the old folks' accounts. *)Joanthan. Maybe you should start your own site then all the rules, ages, statements would be just as you like them.


05/12/2002 06:29:05 PM · #13
Snip>...delete the old folks' accounts. *)Joanthan. Maybe you should start your own site then all the rules, ages, statements would be just as you like them.


Afraid that I have to agree with Kee. Not to mention there is something called age discrimination.........

Admins your doing something right or we would not all be comming back here over and over and over and over.

05/12/2002 06:32:31 PM · #14
I'm just wondering if Jonathan has a computer at home as well? I'm not disagreeing with you exactly, I don't entirely disagree with what you said....but work is work...and while we all most likely surf the internet (if you have a computer job) at some point....it's kind of best to keep your priorities straight while at work...especially if your boss can actually see you doing this. I'm thinking that's a risk I don't wanna take if I expect to ever get a raise or move up in the company. But then again..I'm one of the old folks here. And we all know how skewed our priorities are. (sarcasm)

And exactly what is the use of posting to a forum if you don't expect to have other's input? I think it's great you have ideas...and you have opinions....but if you're not willing to listen to other's opinions and if you dictate your wants before you even get to the message...and are only willing to be happy if everyone agrees with yours....well, basically...if you can't take it, don't put it out there. It's just one of the things you learn as you grow older. Patience....humility......grace.....you'll see :)

and oh yeah....the fact that not everyone is going to agree with you.
:)
05/12/2002 06:40:49 PM · #15
You have an awful lot of insight as to how things should be done here for someone who has never submitted a photo, voted 595 times, and only made 7 comments.....



Originally posted by jonathans:
i'd like people to post to this thread only if they agree with the following:

six days of waiting for submissions is too long. this means that monday morning when everyone's at work, the voting opens. this isnt the best time to slack off at work, i find. one less day would place the voting on sunday, a day on which one can sit down and take time looking at each picture. voting just sucks at work. i get called on slacking every time, even though my boss is cool about it.

and perhaps then the voting would get done in two days, based on the fact that some people dont share this problem on mondays and some people do. there would then be two differing schedules at the beginning of the voting period, instead of the end.

five days of submissions means more quality shots, because i bet that people that take the good ones know what they wanted to do on the first or second day of the challenge. its not like you need two non-working days to take a single picture - you'll still have your saturdays free.

so again i ask kindly you not to post in disagreement. start another thread or something.



05/12/2002 06:52:28 PM · #16
Originally posted by KDJohnson:
When you get to be 34-40.....trust me, it won't seem so old.

Originally posted by jonathans:
[i]well. now that my thread is fubar. THANKS FOR THE POSITIVE INPUT, KEE ! quoting the faq, as if i hadn't read it. no wonder ryan begged lang to delete the old folks' accounts.





Hey, even those of us over 40 aren't dead yet. Before you start putting down older folks you need to remember you will be in our shoes one day yourself.
05/12/2002 07:38:08 PM · #17
It's always so funny that younger people seem to think older people just popped into existence at age 35-40 or whatever they consider old..hehe.

I guess I would hate to meet the older people in Jonathans life..they must suck to make him feel the way he does. :-P

05/12/2002 08:36:13 PM · #18
Um... isn't that what the "Web Site Suggestions" forum is for?

I disagree with changing the timing of the votes just because "my boss gets mad at me on monday". I say just don't vote on monday, you have a whole week.
05/12/2002 08:44:31 PM · #19
Jon,

You've been around for, what, 4 months, and have yet to get a photo within the 7 day requirement. Don't you think you could benefit from *more* days? ;)

Originally posted by jonathans:
i'd like people to post to this thread only if they agree with the following:

six days of waiting for submissions is too long. this means that monday morning when everyone's at work, the voting opens. this isnt the best time to slack off at work, i find.




Then wait a few days to start voting.



one less day would place the voting on sunday, a day on which one can sit down and take time looking at each picture.



You can wait until Sunday to vote.



voting just sucks at work.



Then vote at home.



i get called on slacking every time, even though my boss is cool about it.



Personal problem?



and perhaps then the voting would get done in two days, based on the fact that some people dont share this problem on mondays and some people do. there would then be two differing schedules at the beginning of the voting period, instead of the end.



Perhaps the voting wouldn't get done in two days, though, because some people a) put extra effort into voting, at it takes them three or four days to complete, or b) have dial-up internet.



five days of submissions means more quality shots, because i bet that people that take the good ones know what they wanted to do on the first or second day of the challenge.



Clearly it doesn't mean more quality shots. Maybe you meant "fewer low-quality shots"? In any case, giving people less time only makes their photos more hurried.



its not like you need two non-working days to take a single picture - you'll still have your saturdays free.



Some people like to take two days to shoot. Others may have a life on Saturdays but not on Sundays. Others may only have Thursdays to shoot. I think the weekly schedule is great, because most people have weekly schedules, and so can plan to fit DPC into it.



so again i ask kindly you not to post in disagreement. start another thread or something.



Great way to try to make change, by asking that there not be any discussion against it. "Please, only post if you agree with me!" Do you think the admins are incompetent to count the number of people who agree and disagree with you, or, worse yet, to make rational decisions based on their own ideas and on user input?



* This message has been edited by the author on 5/12/2002 9:27:21 PM.
05/12/2002 09:12:19 PM · #20
if you would quit abandoning us you would know jon just got his camera this week, reuben
05/12/2002 10:05:53 PM · #21
Originally posted by clay:
if you would quit abandoning us you would know jon just got his camera this week, reuben

The point remains that he has almost zero experience with the weekly challenge format as a photographer.
05/12/2002 10:29:37 PM · #22
but his issue is a voting issue, not a submission issue. well, then again, he may HAVE some submission issues, but the less we know...

regardless, number of photos submitted is unrelated to his comment.

not defending all of his comments, and not saying you didnt have some valid points yourself reuben (yes, he can wait until sunday to vote or do so at nights during the week - which is why i dont think the current system needs to be changed). but your example regarding photos submitted is flawed.
05/12/2002 10:47:44 PM · #23
Originally posted by Moondoggie:
but his issue is a voting issue, not a submission issue.

No, it's a submission issue, (mostly) from a voting perspective. The proposed change would be a change in submission policy. Thus, it's a submission issue.

Not only that, he did not come from a purely voting standpoint. He tried to say that fewer days to submit would result in better entries.




* This message has been edited by the author on 5/12/2002 10:48:07 PM.
05/12/2002 11:27:10 PM · #24
I must agree with all those who:
a) dislike jonathans suggestion
b) take offense at jonathans only asking for positive responses
c) feel that jonathans has some growing up to do.

sjgleah

* This message has been edited by the author on 5/12/2002 11:27:29 PM.
05/13/2002 05:45:23 PM · #25
Originally posted by jonathans:
so again i ask kindly you not to post in disagreement. start another thread or something.

well. forgive me for trying to make a forum useful for once.

> It would probably be more useful to be able to tell Drew and Langdon that “I started a thread about this and, of the X people who cared enough to respond, Y of them liked my idea.”

a noble effort, but next time ill just tell lang on aim or irc without posting on the forum. that way everyone can have their mature (read: pretentious) chatter sans-jonathans, and i dont have to even try and pick for actual opinions on a possible change to the site. and what, do you people only work on monday? fuckin a. i work every single day if i have to.


reuben: i have not previously submitted a photograph because i had no interest in doing anything other than voting. i upgraded to a photographer account ahead of time because i knew i would eventually anyways. as clay pointed out, you havent been around much to know such a thing, probably because you could care less. so i dont think you really should bother even speaking up. unless of course you wanted to continue your four year tradition of being an asshole to me, of course. enjoy

im gonna go ask lang to ban me from the forums now k ? thxbye
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