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08/22/2011 04:55:59 AM · #1
Dear Peter,

I am a researcher at XEROX’s Research Center Europe in Grenoble France. Here in Grenoble, we are researching methods for automatically assessing the quality and aesthetics of photographs (please see link here). We hope to use these assessments to create photo albums, catalogs, or other similar products.

We believe that the information found on www.dpchallenge.com, in particular the average scores associated with a specific photograph for a given challenge, can be very useful for helping us understand how people judge an image. We would like to collect and use this information in our research in two ways:

First, we would like to collect photographs submitted to a challenge and process them together with their associated data (such as their average scores) in order to train and test image assessment algorithms.

Second, we would like to include these photographs and their associated data in a data set that we are trying to assemble for use in benchmarking image analysis algorithms. Once fully assembled, we would like to distribute the dataset to members in the image analysis research community for use in their own research.

Such a benchmarking tool would help our research community to assess the overall progress of the different image analysis methods that are being developed.

We would like to include the photos you have submitted to www.dpchallenge.com in this dataset. As such, I was wondering if you would be so kind as to give your consent to such terms of use.

Thanks very much indeed!

Naila Murray
08/22/2011 05:58:02 AM · #2
That's something I've always wanted to look into. Would be a tough project. But very interesting all the same.
08/22/2011 07:13:29 AM · #3
The "rise of the machines". If done correctly, we could dispense with human voters. WTIC
08/22/2011 07:15:50 AM · #4
Originally posted by hahn23:

The "rise of the machines". If done correctly, we could dispense with human voters. WTIC


WTIC? (Sorry, not sure what that one means)... :(
08/22/2011 07:19:57 AM · #5
:) Not surprised to see a post like this. I've mentioned the possibility for this in a few posts here. In fact, I'd be surprised if Topaz Labs doesn't have something already in the works.

Message edited by author 2011-08-22 07:21:25.
08/22/2011 07:51:31 AM · #6
Originally posted by Simms:

Originally posted by hahn23:

The "rise of the machines". If done correctly, we could dispense with human voters. WTIC


WTIC? (Sorry, not sure what that one means)... :(

With Tongue in Cheek.
08/22/2011 08:25:23 AM · #7
I received the same message.
08/22/2011 08:40:47 AM · #8
Rec'd it as well...

Google:
//www.cat.uab.cat/~naila/
//www.cvc.uab.es/personal2.asp?idioma=en&id=631&murraynaila

Didn't check many links, but based on these hits...who knows? Could be legit.

eta - make links clickable.

Message edited by author 2011-08-22 08:41:47.
08/22/2011 09:27:43 AM · #9
It probably wouldn't work very well, though. It would be extremely difficult to factor in judgement calls by voters when they consider how well something meets the challenge or not.

An outstanding image in the wrong challenge would not score well at all here.

edit to add: If they limited their data collection to free study challenges, then that would avoid the DNMC problem.

Message edited by author 2011-08-22 09:29:51.
08/22/2011 10:09:40 AM · #10
It would be interesting to have an entire Free Study judged with their methodology and see how the results compare to the voting here.
08/22/2011 10:35:26 AM · #11
Originally posted by hahn23:

Originally posted by Simms:

Originally posted by hahn23:

The "rise of the machines". If done correctly, we could dispense with human voters. WTIC


WTIC? (Sorry, not sure what that one means)... :(

With Tongue in Cheek.


Ahhhh - cheers - would never of guessed that one.
08/22/2011 11:14:52 AM · #12
Oh, I contacted SC before I saw this thread. I got the same message, and it made me uncomfortable. Xerox is a legitimate corp. with a good reputation, that does a lot of research, but I couldn't help wondering if this was SPAM or phishing. It was very well written. How are the rest of you responding?
08/22/2011 11:26:25 AM · #13
A very quick Google search on "Naila Murray Xerox" confirms that her name does in fact turn up on publications as a Xerox researcher. The use seems legit. I have not received the message (no real surprise there, I haven't entered much in quite a while) but if I did, I believe I would grant the rights for the use.
08/22/2011 11:29:27 AM · #14
I didn't get this..obviously, lol...but the thing that stood out for me was the distribution of the images to others...but if they are using one FS, guess that's only one photo for each person. Never mind...
08/22/2011 11:38:01 AM · #15
Originally posted by raish:

Dear Peter,

I am a researcher at XEROX’s Research Center Europe in Grenoble France. Here in Grenoble, we are researching methods for automatically assessing the quality and aesthetics of photographs (please see link here). We hope to use these assessments to create photo albums, catalogs, or other similar products.

We believe that the information found on www.dpchallenge.com, in particular the average scores associated with a specific photograph for a given challenge, can be very useful for helping us understand how people judge an image. We would like to collect and use this information in our research in two ways:

First, we would like to collect photographs submitted to a challenge and process them together with their associated data (such as their average scores) in order to train and test image assessment algorithms.

Second, we would like to include these photographs and their associated data in a data set that we are trying to assemble for use in benchmarking image analysis algorithms. Once fully assembled, we would like to distribute the dataset to members in the image analysis research community for use in their own research.

Such a benchmarking tool would help our research community to assess the overall progress of the different image analysis methods that are being developed.

We would like to include the photos you have submitted to www.dpchallenge.com in this dataset. As such, I was wondering if you would be so kind as to give your consent to such terms of use.

Thanks very much indeed!

Naila Murray


As I said, I received the same message but there was not link where it says "Please see link here". How can we find out which image they are referring to?
08/22/2011 11:40:36 AM · #16
Curious that the person chose to contact individual members rather than the admins or SC. Surely it would have been easier and less suspect to get official backing and call for volunteers?
08/22/2011 12:07:24 PM · #17
I responded and asked them where the link is and which images they are talking about. This was their response.

Hi Bob,

Thanks for your response. The link I was referring to is this one:

//www.xrce.xerox.com/Research-Development/Document-Content-Laboratory/Textual-Visual-Pattern-Analysis-TVPA/Visual-Aesthetics-and-User-Preference

I was referring to any images you have submitted for the following challenges:

Circle
Complementary_Colors
Duotones
HDR
Image_Grain
Light_On_White
Long_Exposure
Macro
Motion_Blur
Negative_Image
Pattern
Reflections_Without_Mirrors
Silhouettes
Soft_Focus
Rule_of_Thirds
Shallow_DOF
Vanishing_Point

For example, "Vanished"

Best regards,
Naila
08/22/2011 12:48:42 PM · #18
Originally posted by scalvert:

Curious that the person chose to contact individual members rather than the admins or SC. Surely it would have been easier and less suspect to get official backing and call for volunteers?


I suspect that they may have some criteria that they are applying to select images. They definitely need the photog's permission, but of course they do not need the site's permission. The score is public information. Of course it's still not a bad idea for them to contact the Site Administration. Of course, we don't know that they haven't.
08/22/2011 01:27:12 PM · #19
Maybe we'll soon be able to buy a camera that we can set to take photos in the style of raish, or some of our other favourite photographers!

Or maybe even set it to score a 7.5 at DPC?

Message edited by author 2011-08-22 13:27:54.
08/22/2011 01:30:35 PM · #20
wtf, the world needs an image assessment/analysis algorithm? and who is the "image analysis research community?"

just because it is xerox doesn't mean it makes sense.
08/22/2011 01:43:32 PM · #21
Originally posted by tnun:



...just because it is xerox doesn't mean it makes sense.


Of course not. Although, Xerox has one hell of a track record when it comes to translating basic research to practical applications. :-)
08/22/2011 01:58:12 PM · #22
Based on what I'm reading here, especially the response to Bob's inquiry, I'm inclined to give my permission. But I want to retain copyright ownership of my images.
08/22/2011 02:02:59 PM · #23
Originally posted by kirbic:

Originally posted by tnun:



...just because it is xerox doesn't mean it makes sense.


Of course not. Although, Xerox has one hell of a track record when it comes to translating basic research to practical applications. :-)


That may or may not be. My point was to for US to THINK about what the possible uses might be.
08/22/2011 02:05:43 PM · #24
Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Maybe we'll soon be able to buy a camera that we can set to take photos in the style of raish, or some of our other favourite photographers!

Or maybe even set it to score a 7.5 at DPC?

I have a camera like that, but I dropped it and now the knob won't turn...

08/22/2011 02:12:46 PM · #25
Originally posted by tnun:


That may or may not be. My point was to for US to THINK about what the possible uses might be.


Oh, absolutely. Bottom line, each of those contacted will want to think about if they are comfortable "supporting" that research via the use of their images.

On the separate question of retention of copyright, I think all they are asking for is limited use.

ETA: Oh, and ROFL@art ;-)

Message edited by author 2011-08-22 14:13:16.
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