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 01/11/2012 03:36:08 AM · #1
Hi
I am new, I don't know much about photographs, I certainly don't know much about "voting" on dpc and I am *not* raising this point to annoy the person in question. I am genuinely interested how anybody can give a "1" to the image that came second in the username challenge. Even if you don't like abstracts, even if you don't like the colour scheme, even if you don't like "smoky images", IMO you have to acknowledge that this is just a superb photograph and it is a lovely interpretation of the theme (smokeeditor). So how does "one" come to the conclusion that this image warrants a "1"?
Just for clarification, I am not the person who took this (wish I were - no let me re-phrase that :-) wish I could take pictures like that :-)), I don't know the person, I have never spoken or discussed this image with anybody before. I am merely puzzled.
I don't expect the voter who gave the "1" to answer this, but perhaps others who tend to be "on the mean side" ;-) with their scores would like to explain why sometimes really good photographs end up with "1" and "2"?

Thanks
01/11/2012 03:46:50 AM · #2
nasa could analyze the voting habits of some on dpc and never work it out, not worth bothering opinions are like ar5e holes everyone has one

everything is subjective, i was surprised the cat won i had the 3rd place as my winner but this is dpc where pets and landscapes rule
 01/11/2012 04:09:10 AM · #3
Welcome Gabby. Great to have another SA person on the site. Assuming you are with your pic posted.

Dont ever fret about any 1's or two's or even Threes given. If that person cannot have the personality to leave constructive critisism with that vote, it's not worth finding out the why's of such votes.

Enjoy the site, but above all enjoy your photography and learn from the masters that do give good advice here, not the faceless voters who does not deserve the attention they get

SA Greetings
 01/11/2012 06:46:35 AM · #4
Welcome to the community.
As has been said, don't try to find a definitive answer for this, because there isn't really one. Everybody just has their own opinion, their own vote, and are perfectly entitled to utilize it.
A guess, though?
Some folks hate stock photos, and some hate what they would deem trite photos (stock is lumped into this, but particular subjects are deemed more so than others). The smoke stock photo is an extremely well trod path on DPC. Anything that gets lots of time and attention on DPC eventually draws some hate. It's like hearing the same 10 songs on the top 40 radio. Whether or not you liked them to begin with, you start to hate them because you're always listening to the same thing.
01/11/2012 07:00:31 AM · #5
Welcome!!!

Don't worry -- after about 3 years you learn to ignore the idiots who give out 1s. Until then, you will sit and wonder -- trying to figure out what they could possibly be thinking. Obviously there must be a reason for the 1.

You were wondering what type of photo warrants a 1 -- here are some examples of photos that were obviously worthy of a 1 (since they all received at least one)



So ignore the 1s. I've rarely seen a photo on this site that deserves a 1, but the majority of photos receive them. Just call the idiot a troll, and move on. :)

It's the 3s that make me wonder.
 01/11/2012 07:47:21 AM · #6
Thank you to everyone for the welcome :-) (yes, I am in SA Rian, congrats on the "African Sun" image, that is stunning).

I just assumed that each person has their own "standard" to which they vote and therefor there would be a *genuine* reason, other than being a ... well whatever some of you mentioned ;-), or just not "liking" certain types of photos.

I read with some amusement comments on the winner of this challenge (the cat) that some "hate" cat pictures, but had to concede that this one was just stunning :-). That is what I meant in my first post - you may not "like" a certain genre, but surely on a forum like this you can't deny that the photograph is still good/great.

Anyway, I hear what you guys are saying and thanks for the feedback


01/11/2012 07:56:35 AM · #7
Something really offensive would warrant a one from me. Fortunately it rarely happens.
 01/11/2012 11:58:57 AM · #8
I too, have wondered about this for years. I've come to the conclusion that there are a few reasons for people handing out 1's to great photos:

1.) The voter really is just mean.
2.) The voter is trying to vote down the best images in order to improve their own chances. (I think this used to happen more than it does these days)
3.) The voter is trying to influence the type of photos that get entered at DPC. For example, if they hate seeing photos of cats, they'd vote a 1 to discourage more cats.
4.) The voter has a very different criterion for what they like in a photo than most of us. I let my wife vote in the Dec Free Study while I watched and she voted VERY differently than I would have. She rated some technically excellent photos quite low because they didn't interest her, and some technically poor photos quite high because she thought they were cool. I later went back and re-voted on all of them myself but it was eye opening to see how someone else voted.
5.) There is a part of the DPC population that can be very strict in their interpretation of the challenge description and if in their estimation the photo doesn't meet the challenge it will get penalized for that.

It's kind of maddening to see 1's on great photos, because I know how hard it is to capture a great photo and a 1 vote seems to disregard all that. I always reward a photo where the person obviously put a ton of time and effort into it with a little extra bump in score.

Message edited by author 2012-01-11 12:14:09.
 01/11/2012 12:41:26 PM · #9
It's becase that's the biggest number that they have learned so far.
ETA, Welcome to DPC. It's always nice to see new members posting, and entering the challenges.

Message edited by author 2012-01-11 12:45:16.
 01/11/2012 03:19:24 PM · #10
i vote wineglass a 1, i think its working too becuase i haven't seen to many lately :)
 01/11/2012 03:47:05 PM · #11
Originally posted by mike_311:
i vote wineglass a 1, i think its working too becuase i haven't seen to many lately :)

stolen and being drunk by me as we speak.....you'll never see one again mwahahahahahaha
 01/11/2012 03:48:51 PM · #12
Originally posted by vawendy:
Just call the idiot a troll, and move on. :)

Actually, moving on without calling anyone anything would be even better ... ;-)

And, to the OP, couldn't you legitmately ask the same question ("What were you thinking?") of the person who gives a 10 to a picture which finishes with an aggregate 5.2 score? I rarely hear people questioning the esthetic judgement of those voters, merely speculations on how to get them to breed faster ... :-)
 01/11/2012 04:00:21 PM · #13
well the reason you probably don't hear anyone questioning a 10 on a pic with a 5.2 average is because it isn't on the front page like all of the ones most people are questioning with ones are, but i really would like to know how much a 10 or a 1 for that matter actually effects your overall score. honestly unless you only have a very few pictures in a challenge i can't see trolls effecting you much in the end.

Message edited by author 2012-01-11 16:01:00.
 01/11/2012 06:54:50 PM · #14
In one case, the 1 voter did a rare (and appreciated) thing and left me a comment along with their vote. I actually had an illuminating exchange with them after the challenge. I learned that in some cases the 1 vote has not a thing to do with your photography, but may simply represent a person registering their extreme disapproval of your chosen subject, or maybe even an objection to the challenge topic in general. They may have a moral objection to the image and just cannot give you a vote that suggests approval.
 01/11/2012 07:07:06 PM · #15
If I recall correctly, there were a few voters that used to use a simplified version of the scale, only including 1, 5, and 10. This allowed them to separate or 'bucket' the images in a simplified manner, 'rewarding' the best images (based on some criteria), 'penalizing' the 'worst', and disregarding the middle...

I don't think it is worth worrying about the individual scores because we all have a different take on how to vote (and that is a good thing!)



01/11/2012 07:09:31 PM · #16
I bet there are a few new users that think they will be helping themselves if they vote others 1's to help their own cause. I seldom give a 1 (a picture would have to be real bad, not fit the challenge AND be offensive on top of that)
 01/11/2012 08:09:21 PM · #17
Originally posted by bigskyeye:
I bet there are a few new users that think they will be helping themselves if they vote others 1's to help their own cause. I seldom give a 1 (a picture would have to be real bad, not fit the challenge AND be offensive on top of that)


Avg Vote Cast: 4.7768
 01/11/2012 08:11:23 PM · #18
Hi my name is roman. I'm new to the site and I've only entered in 8 challenges so far. My co-worker introduced me and we've had this discussion about how to vote many times. One way of thinking was to never give anything lower than a 4. another way of thinking was to only vote on pictures that you like (like 6 and up). Confused on what to do. I've noticed that the more pictures I look at - the more I have a good idea of what's good and well lets say not good. The winner of the user name shot a very good picture even though I'm not fond of pet pictures. My photography isn't even close to that level as I've only been shooting for 2 years. My thinking on voting right now is to never give anything lower than a four- Is this a good idea or is a no no?
 01/11/2012 08:24:32 PM · #19
Roman, there are already a million threads on this site about voting, you can search for them under Community in the Forums. In all honesty it's entirely up to you, how you choose to vote.

Most voters work out their own scale of how to vote. FWIW I start with 5 as a base, for a pic that basically fits the challenge, is in focus, lighting isn't too bad, the comp is decent etc. I rarely go below 4, and rarely over 9.
 01/11/2012 09:01:44 PM · #20
Originally posted by snaffles:
Roman, there are already a million threads on this site about voting, you can search for them under Community in the Forums. In all honesty it's entirely up to you, how you choose to vote.

Most voters work out their own scale of how to vote. FWIW I start with 5 as a base, for a pic that basically fits the challenge, is in focus, lighting isn't too bad, the comp is decent etc. I rarely go below 4, and rarely over 9.


And of course there's always the actual DPChallenge site voting rules & guidelines (imagine that!).

At the top, under the You Must (bold added to last bullet as its' pertinent to this conversation):

~ comply with the DPChallenge Terms of Use.
~ submit any disqualification requests as soon as you suspect a rule violation, but no later than seven days after the challenge results are posted.
~ vote on at least 20% of the entries in a challenge. If you vote on less than 20%, your votes will not count.
~ rate entries on a scale of 1 to 10. A score of 1 is a “bad” photo, and a score of 10 is a “good” photo

01/11/2012 09:17:36 PM · #21
I think we should enforce the user to add comment IF user gives rating below 4 to show why they believe it is 4. I had the same question when I look at top few where I was seeing ratings were given low though in my opinion they shouldn't. even i had submission and received some 2 and 3 with no comments!
 01/11/2012 09:19:22 PM · #22
Who has some popcorn?
 01/11/2012 09:21:25 PM · #23
Originally posted by pgirish007:
I think we should enforce the user to add comment IF user gives rating below 4 to show why they believe it is 4. I had the same question when I look at top few where I was seeing ratings were given low though in my opinion they shouldn't. even i had submission and received some 2 and 3 with no comments!

you can do that but i can tell you the comment you will get from me instead of the one i would have left.
 01/11/2012 09:22:14 PM · #24
Originally posted by bassbone:
Who has some popcorn?

all out of popcorn do you want one of those little tiny oranges i have a crate of those.
 01/11/2012 09:53:08 PM · #25
Don't get hung up on a single or a small set of votes. What could be said for a 1 on a great photo could certainly be said for a 10 on a not-so-good photo. In the end, such a small number doesn't have much impact on the overall result.

1 votes come for one reason or another: accidental voting, not in the beholder's interest, voting scheme, etc. The fact that there are so many people here is what makes the site work and why small values like those the blue ribbon winner received, still allow a blue ribbon photo to finish 1st.
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