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07/19/2012 11:07:54 AM · #1
Your image in the Independence II challenge, "Breaking architectural conventions through independant thinking " needs to be validated.
I am a bit bemused...Why would I have to validate this entry when it only came 38th? It's a crop of the same photo that came 8th in the "Glass" challenge
and I wasn't asked to validate it then. Not that it's a problem at all for me as it's a perfectly legitimate image and I will furnish the Site Council the original. All I can think of is that one particular commenter so hates my guts that he instituted a complaint about the validity of my entry with SC.
07/19/2012 11:09:10 AM · #2
Originally posted by JustFred:

Your image in the Independence II challenge, "Breaking architectural conventions through independant thinking " needs to be validated.
I am a bit bemused...Why would I have to validate this entry when it only came 38th? It's a crop of the same photo that came 8th in the "Glass" challenge
and I wasn't asked to validate it then. Not that it's a problem at all for me as it's a perfectly legitimate image and I will furnish the Site Council the original. All I can think of is that one particular commenter so hates my guts that he instituted a complaint about the validity of my entry with SC.


The just might be wondering if it's the same photo instead of a crop of a different photo, perhaps? (they probably don't take 54 shots of the same thing like I do. :)

Message edited by author 2012-07-19 11:09:35.
07/19/2012 11:11:44 AM · #3
Maybe they meant to ask for validation on the one that was 8th, but got confused and sent for the other entry.
07/19/2012 11:12:57 AM · #4
Originally posted by JustFred:

Your image in the Independence II challenge, "Breaking architectural conventions through independant thinking " needs to be validated.
I am a bit bemused...Why would I have to validate this entry when it only came 38th? It's a crop of the same photo that came 8th in the "Glass" challenge
and I wasn't asked to validate it then. Not that it's a problem at all for me as it's a perfectly legitimate image and I will furnish the Site Council the original. All I can think of is that one particular commenter so hates my guts that he instituted a complaint about the validity of my entry with SC.


i did not know you were allowed to use the same base image for multiple challenges.

from the submission rules:

You may NOT
-use the same original image in more than one challenge.

If it's indeed a crop from the same image, it'll be DQ'd. someone probably recognized it and asked for a validation. the same thing happened to my beach pier and pier, water, sky entries. even though they looked similar, they were indeed made from different base images.

Message edited by author 2012-07-19 11:16:34.
07/19/2012 11:15:08 AM · #5
someone probably submitted a ticket that it look like it might have broken a rule somehow. i have gotten validation requests in the middle of voting before.
07/19/2012 11:15:59 AM · #6
Originally posted by LanndonKane:

Originally posted by JustFred:

Your image in the Independence II challenge, "Breaking architectural conventions through independant thinking " needs to be validated.
I am a bit bemused...Why would I have to validate this entry when it only came 38th? It's a crop of the same photo that came 8th in the "Glass" challenge
and I wasn't asked to validate it then. Not that it's a problem at all for me as it's a perfectly legitimate image and I will furnish the Site Council the original. All I can think of is that one particular commenter so hates my guts that he instituted a complaint about the validity of my entry with SC.


i did not know you were allowed to use the same base image for multiple challenges.


If you click the shutter button twice, and take the same exact pictures with two different exif's you can use them both in different challenges. But, you usually pay a price in voting. I've seen other people do it plenty of times. You just need to be sure you are using two different photos.
07/19/2012 11:16:35 AM · #7
Hmm maybe Wendy..I actually took about 60 shots (10 from each of the 6 floors of the building I broke into including 10 from the roof.)
Here is the photo as it looks like uncropped. All I did here was to resize to 1000x pixels and brighten and sharpen. Nothing else at all. //i.imgur.com/bl1oH.jpg

Here is the story of what I had to do to get this shot.
I took the train to Zaandam (130km) specially to photograph this building. Once I got there I saw the building immediately as it is right next to the station. Problem was trying to find an angle from which to shoot without getting all the clutter of shops, other buildings, lantern poles and people and overhead wires in the shot. Walked right around the hotel and my mood was sinking fast until I spotted an old desolated office block next to the station and opposite the hotel. I quickly found a broken window and clambered inside and then up the stairwell which led me to the roof of the building. From there I had quite a nice and unimpeded view and the result is what you see.

Message edited by author 2012-07-19 11:32:54.
07/19/2012 11:17:06 AM · #8
Originally posted by Kelli:

Originally posted by LanndonKane:

Originally posted by JustFred:

Your image in the Independence II challenge, "Breaking architectural conventions through independant thinking " needs to be validated.
I am a bit bemused...Why would I have to validate this entry when it only came 38th? It's a crop of the same photo that came 8th in the "Glass" challenge
and I wasn't asked to validate it then. Not that it's a problem at all for me as it's a perfectly legitimate image and I will furnish the Site Council the original. All I can think of is that one particular commenter so hates my guts that he instituted a complaint about the validity of my entry with SC.


i did not know you were allowed to use the same base image for multiple challenges.


If you click the shutter button twice, and take the same exact pictures with two different exif's you can use them both in different challenges. But, you usually pay a price in voting. I've seen other people do it plenty of times. You just need to be sure you are using two different photos.


i understand, that's a different base image though.
07/19/2012 11:30:21 AM · #9
they did you a favor by going for the 38th, not the 7th or 8th or whatever it was in glass that was the crop. had it been me flagging it, i'd have gone for the 8th place one as it's more likely that it's the duplicate since it could be (and incidentally is) a crop of the original.

07/19/2012 11:48:41 AM · #10
Originally posted by RyanWareham:

they did you a favor by going for the 38th, not the 7th or 8th or whatever it was in glass that was the crop. had it been me flagging it, i'd have gone for the 8th place one as it's more likely that it's the duplicate since it could be (and incidentally is) a crop of the original.


I don't agree. My entry in the Glass challenge was legal and legit as it was the first of the two challenges. I broke the rules only by entering a different crop of the same image in a subsequent challenge.

On the other hand I have another 5 shots from exactly the same position and could have claimed that the crop in the "Glass" challenge was from one of them. They would never have known it was not. But I would have known and I would have felt dishonest.

Message edited by author 2012-07-19 11:50:19.
07/19/2012 11:55:08 AM · #11
Oops. Sorry, didn't realized you'd used the same exact image. That is a no-no. ;D
07/19/2012 11:57:14 AM · #12
Originally posted by JustFred:

Originally posted by RyanWareham:

they did you a favor by going for the 38th, not the 7th or 8th or whatever it was in glass that was the crop. had it been me flagging it, i'd have gone for the 8th place one as it's more likely that it's the duplicate since it could be (and incidentally is) a crop of the original.


I don't agree. My entry in the Glass challenge was legal and legit as it was the first of the two challenges. I broke the rules only by entering a different crop of the same image in a subsequent challenge.

On the other hand I have another 5 shots from exactly the same position and could have claimed that the crop in the "Glass" challenge was from one of them. They would never have known it was not. But I would have known and I would have felt dishonest.


they might have have seen that grain or noise patterns were different. pretty easy to tell when zoomed in close.
07/19/2012 12:34:21 PM · #13
Just want to add that it was unintentional. I genuinely did not realize that i was breaking the rules by entering another crop of the same image. I did read the rules but that was a long time ago and that particular rule had slipped my mind. If I had known I would have entered one of the other 5 shots I have for the "Independant" challenge as they are just about the same and as good as the one I entered. But no problem. It will be a DQ and I am fine with it.

Message edited by author 2012-07-19 12:35:46.
07/19/2012 01:03:01 PM · #14
Originally posted by JustFred:

...If I had known I would have entered one of the other 5 shots I have for the "Independant" challenge as they are just about the same and as good as the one I entered. But no problem. It will be a DQ and I am fine with it.

Sorry about the DQ -- that stuff does happen ... I've been just about ready to submit an image when I realized I'd used the wrong editing rule set ...

At least the DQ comes after the voting, so you know how it rated quality-wise, and 38th is pretty good (compared to my usual finishes). Maybe you can try to duplicate your entry from one of the other exposures and post it in the out-takes thread, and see if people think it would have scored just the same as the one you entered.
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