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08/01/2012 10:21:54 PM · #1
When I got home last night I heard bangs from far away and then my wife pointed out that there were fireworks happening in the distance (Very far from where we live, but big nonetheless.) I scrambled to get my camera and the 70-200. I'm all setup, but for some reason the photos aren't coming in crisp, it's as if I'm hitting the tripod during the 6 second exposure. I switched to the timer (2 seconds) so that my hands wouldn't be on the camera as the shutter closes. Still, blurred pictures. FINALLY, I took it off VR and the photos came out sharp. SO, I'm guess that during the 6 second exposure times, the VR was doing something and moving the elements around creating the blurred shots. Process of elimination brought me to this conclusion.

Here are some of the photos:









Message edited by author 2012-08-01 22:22:12.
08/01/2012 10:25:33 PM · #2
Yup, VR/IS should never usually not be used on a tripod. It attemps to correct for movements that are not there and causes blur.

ETA: veracity

Message edited by author 2012-08-01 22:33:30.
08/01/2012 10:25:35 PM · #3
besides the crooked horizon, these are good.

i like firework shots with some background atmosphere
08/01/2012 10:25:57 PM · #4
Originally posted by spiritualspatula:

Yup, VR/IS should never be used on a tripod. It attemps to correct for movements that are not there and causes blur.


unless its a crappy tripod, then it helps :)
08/01/2012 10:32:27 PM · #5
Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by spiritualspatula:

Yup, VR/IS should never be used on a tripod. It attemps to correct for movements that are not there and causes blur.


unless its a crappy tripod, then it helps :)


True, and also with certain lenses, according to Nikon, anyway-

Nikon answer
Originally posted by Nikon:


When using my VR lens on a tripod, do I keep the "VR" On or Off?The Vibration Reduction technology built into some Nikon lenses or the COOLPIX 8800 can reduce or eliminate vibration during shooting. When the camera is on a tripod there will be very little (if any) movement so the question arises if VR should be used or not.

There are two techniques when using a camera/lens mounted on a tripod; keeping the pan/tilt head loose or fluid (when panning or moving with a subject) and keeping the pan/tilt head locked down and rigid while using a cable release (time exposures or for the new HDR techniques).

With the following lenses/cameras VR should be "Off" when the camera is mounted on a tripod and the pan/tilt head is locked down and using a cable release:

105mm f/2.8G ED-IF AF-S VR Micro Nikkor
18-200mm f3.5-5.6 ED-IF AF-S VR DX Zoom-Nikkor
24-120mm f3.5-5.6G ED-IF AF-S VR Zoom-Nikkor
70-200mm f2.8G ED-IF AF-S VR Zoom-Nikkor
80-400mm f4.5-5.6D ED VR AF Zoom-Nikkor
70-300mm f4.5-5.6G IF-ED AF-S VR Zoom-Nikkor
Coolpix 8800
With the following lenses/cameras VR should be "On" when the camera is mounted on a tripod and the pan/tilt head is loose (fluid) while using the cameras shutter release button:

105mm f/2.8G ED-IF AF-S VR Micro Nikkor
18-200mm f3.5-5.6 ED-IF AF-S VR DX Zoom-Nikkor
24-120mm f3.5-5.6G ED-IF AF-S VR Zoom-Nikkor
70-200mm f2.8G ED-IF AF-S VR Zoom-Nikkor
80-400mm f4.5-5.6D ED VR AF Zoom-Nikkor
70-300mm f4.5-5.6G IF-ED AF-S VR Zoom-Nikkor
Coolpix 8800
Nikon VR technology in the following lenses can detect minute vibrations that emanate from tripod legs.With the following lenses VR can be "On" when the camera is mounted on a tripod for either technique:

200-400mm f4G ED-IF AF-S VR Zoom-Nikkor
200mm f2G ED-IF AF-S VR Nikkor
300mm f2.8G ED-IF AF-S VR Nikkor
For all lenses VR should be "On" when the camera/lens is used on a monopod.
08/01/2012 11:43:45 PM · #6
Learn something new every day. Thanks for posting.
08/01/2012 11:55:30 PM · #7
And this is why I love DPC!

It's been driving me nuts that I can't get a focused shot of the moon unless I was using a non-VR lens. This explains everything!

Thank you all :)
08/02/2012 12:14:21 AM · #8
Did some digging to see if Canon had a similarly specific explanation, but this is all I could find-

General lens IS detail
Originally posted by Canon:


-The Image Stabilizer cannot compensate for a blurred shot caused by a subject that moved.
-Set the STABILIZER switch to OFF when you are taking pictures using the Bulb setting (long exposures). If the STABILIZER switch is set to ON, the image stabilizer function may introduce errors.
-The Image Stabilizer might not be fully effective in the following cases:
-You move the camera for a panned shot.
-You shoot while riding on a bumpy road.
-The Image Stabilier consumes more power than normal shooting, so fewer shots can be taken if you use the function.
-The image stabilizer operates for about two seconds even when your finger is off the shutter button. Do not remove the lens while the stabilizer is in operation. This will cause a malfunction.
-With the EOS-1V/HS, 3, 30/33/Elan7/7E, 30V/33V/Elan7N/7NE, Elan II/Elan II E/50/50 E, 300/Rebel2000, IX, and D30, the Image Stabilizer will not work during self-timer operation.
-When you use a tripod, the Image Stabilizershould be turned off to save battery power.
-The stabilizer is equally effective for handheld photography and photography with a monopod.
-The image stabilizer function also operates when the lens is used with an Extension Tube EF12 II or EF25 II.
-Pictures may look distorted after being taken depending on the camera, but this doesn't affect shooting.
-If you set the camera's Custom Function to change the assigned button to operate the AF, the Image Stabilizer will operate when you press the newly assigned AF button.


The only difference on particular lenses that I could find after a cursory search was this;
Originally posted by Canon:


The new EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro IS lens is the world's first camera lens featuring Canon's new Hybrid Image Stabilization (Hybrid IS) technology * , compensating for both angle camera shake and shift camera shake, up to four shutter speed steps. The EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro IS USM lens is compatible with all EOS cameras, while the EF-S 15-85mm and EF-S 18-135mm zoom lenses are designed specifically for Canon digital cameras that are compatible with EF-S lenses. New Hybrid IS Technology Designed Especially for Macro Photography The world's first * optical image stabilizer for SLR cameras was introduced in the EF 75-300mm f/4-5.6 IS USM in 1995. Now, in a move aimed at extending image stabilization to the macro realm, Canon introduces its Hybrid IS in the new EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro IS USM – another first for Canon and the world. Now, thanks to the Hybrid IS found in the EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro IS USM, Canon extends IS technology to the macro realm, making it easy to obtain clear handheld close-ups – a world first * and a definite advantage in environments where use of a tripod is not an option.


Message edited by author 2012-08-02 00:14:34.
08/02/2012 02:37:39 AM · #9
Oddly enough, I had my VR ON when I took these, tripod mounted. The lens I used is not listed (17-35mm).
07/04/2016 09:42:08 AM · #10
2013 fireworks challenge.

Happy Independence Day to all my fellow Americans!

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Message edited by author 2016-07-04 09:58:02.
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