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02/13/2013 04:22:51 AM · #1
From the recent Wind 3 challenge, this pic got slammed. I had a great idea, but my lack of studio equipment meant that I never ever got the image I wanted and it maganed to score 7x1s, 6x2s and 11x3s. That's a lot of hate!

I'm here to learn, not to earn, so please give me some feedback on how to improve. The photo also had a validation request, which it passed. I think it also passed the DNMC test meeting the "Your task is to try to capture this invisible but always-present phenomenon" challenge description.



Thanks
02/13/2013 04:33:23 AM · #2
If I'm being honest, it looks like you Googled a bunch of pictures and then pasted them all together with photoshop. Also, I guess I just don't understand all the elements in the picture like the blankets and the fan combined with the clouds. I don't think it's a lack of studio equipment that hurt you here. I think it's more the set up and execution
02/13/2013 04:41:23 AM · #3
No, I don't think this has anything to do with lack of stuff,it al looks good technically to me.
The cloth at the bottom needs to go.
And teddies don,t often go down too well here.
It was a 6 from me .
02/13/2013 04:43:35 AM · #4
I didn't hate it (5).
What brought this down IMHO wasn't the lack of studio equipment; the lighting is rather good. Overall it has a cut and paste look, like a collage - especially when you look at the clouds (you could have cut cloud shapes out of paper or use cotton wool or just dismiss them) and at the edge of the cloth. The use of a glove as a balloon also seemed overdone and made no sense. Might also be that some voters remembered this image , which admittedly was made in a studio but is so much more on the spot in composition and props.

What I just noticed is that the bear doesn't seem to have eyes - odd.
02/13/2013 05:04:29 AM · #5
OK, thanks. The 'lack of studio equipment' comment was based on the fact that I needed to combine 3 different exposures of the same shot which is why I think it looks like a 'bunch of Googled pictures' stitched together. Effectively, it was.
02/13/2013 05:06:27 AM · #6
Too many separate components to the shot, literally floating around. This gives no sense of cohesion, and makes me wonder what the actual subject is. In terms of composition the viewers eye is immediately drawn to the glove, but I suspect you intended the teddy to be the focus.
02/13/2013 06:28:57 AM · #7
This was my only 10.
It looks like I have nothing else to add.
02/13/2013 07:31:12 AM · #8
Originally posted by Venser:

This was my only 10.
It looks like I have nothing else to add.


+1
02/13/2013 07:48:15 AM · #9
Originally posted by Venser:

This was my only 10.

Expected.
02/13/2013 08:30:45 AM · #10
Originally posted by h2:

Originally posted by Venser:

This was my only 10.

Expected.
And? What's wrong with it getting my only 10?
Why was it expected? Because he put thought and creativity into his entry. Really don't understand where you're going with your comment.
02/13/2013 08:49:53 AM · #11
Originally posted by Venser:

Originally posted by h2:

Originally posted by Venser:

This was my only 10.

Expected.
And? What's wrong with it getting my only 10?
Why was it expected?


HA! If you don't know, I'm not going to tell you. Uneducated heathen.
02/13/2013 08:53:10 AM · #12
Originally posted by smardaz:

Originally posted by Venser:

Originally posted by h2:

Originally posted by Venser:

This was my only 10.

Expected.
And? What's wrong with it getting my only 10?
Why was it expected?


HA! If you don't know, I'm not going to tell you. Uneducated heathen.

Nuff said.
02/13/2013 08:55:12 AM · #13
Originally posted by h2:

Originally posted by smardaz:

Originally posted by Venser:

Originally posted by h2:

Originally posted by Venser:

This was my only 10.

Expected.
And? What's wrong with it getting my only 10?
Why was it expected?


HA! If you don't know, I'm not going to tell you. Uneducated heathen.

Nuff said.
That was insightful. That's for your feedback.

Message edited by author 2013-02-13 08:56:23.
02/13/2013 09:12:30 AM · #14
Originally posted by Venser:

Originally posted by h2:

Originally posted by smardaz:

Originally posted by Venser:

Originally posted by h2:

Originally posted by Venser:

This was my only 10.

Expected.
And? What's wrong with it getting my only 10?
Why was it expected?


HA! If you don't know, I'm not going to tell you. Uneducated heathen.

Nuff said.
That was insightful. That's for your feedback.

Are you actually offended?????

Somebody write it down! LOL!!!
02/13/2013 09:39:38 AM · #15
Take your in-fighting elsewhere please. Advice welcome.
02/13/2013 09:42:23 AM · #16
Originally posted by mikeee:

Take your in-fighting elsewhere please. Advice welcome.


You don't get to pick the tangents.

The initial assessment of your photo pretty much covers the major shortcomings of your entry.

Message edited by author 2013-02-13 09:43:27.
02/13/2013 09:48:06 AM · #17
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Message edited by author 2013-02-13 09:57:58.
02/13/2013 10:40:30 AM · #18
Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Are you actually offended?????
No, just annoyed. At least when I push someone's buttons I have the balls to explain why.

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Somebody write it down! LOL!!!
Could you? I'm still lost about his initial response.
02/13/2013 11:11:59 AM · #19
Mike, I thought this was a charming, out of the box effort. I thought your choices were clever, unorthodox, and unexpected. The cartoon drawn clouds, the mountains from a sheet, a teddy blown aloft by an electric fan. That being said, I do feel that it lacks a finesse that is appreciated here. Although evenly lit (studio lights: irrelevant) and directional (which is great), it is TOO even. That, together with the blank "sky", makes the whole thing appear to take place in a void. The composition is also rather static, making the elements looks just placed rather than suggesting that he is blowing away (i.e., the teddy should be tilted AWAY from the fan, as though being pulled by the balloon). Overall, this is the sort of image that is technically flawed but has a offbeat charm some people might enjoy.

PS - ignore the infighting. It's a bit like being part of a large family. Sometimes the kids are knuckleheads.
02/13/2013 11:13:42 AM · #20
I liked the shot. Had I voted I would have given it at least a 7.

BTW, Venser are you still ruffling feathers? Lol.
02/13/2013 11:19:00 AM · #21
Hey hahn23 ........you remember the day you where born ........
02/13/2013 11:19:15 AM · #22
Originally posted by tanguera:

PS - ignore the infighting. It's a bit like being part of a large family. Sometimes the kids are knuckleheads.
Sorry about this, I just wanted a response as to why my vote of 10 on your image was expected. Then when asked, get some rather deflective responses.

Does your image have flaws? It sure does. The thing that annoys me the most is the blanket looks like isn't even part of the original photo, but added later with a terrible PS job. Some of the lines are too straight and/or pixelated at the border of white meets blanket. I know that can happen when you're shooting a screen or monitor. tanguera brought up some other things I didn't like, like the angle of the bear and whatnot.

The thing is, I usually give two shits about the technical aspects of a photo when I vote. I tend to vote ideas over the technically flawless. In this case I got tired of looking at derivative ideas so I rewarded you highly.

My logic is by giving you a high vote it inspires you to keep submitting out of the box entries. I hope this helps and I'll stop with the infighting, at least in this thread.

edit - I should add that shots like yours will typically tank in a challenge like this. It would take something extremely exceptional to finish near the top.

Message edited by author 2013-02-13 11:44:03.
02/13/2013 11:24:42 AM · #23
I agree with venser. Lots of imagination was put into this creation and to compare with the other teddy shot seems silly. One is whimsical and one is not. Personally like mikeee's interpretation much better. Would make a great shot for a child's room!

Originally posted by Venser:

Originally posted by h2:

Originally posted by Venser:

This was my only 10.

Expected.
And? What's wrong with it getting my only 10?
Why was it expected? Because he put thought and creativity into his entry. Really don't understand where you're going with your comment.
02/13/2013 11:26:44 AM · #24
Lack of studio equipment has nothing to do with it, keep trying and you figure out how to execute it better next time.

Blaming insufficient equipment isn't the answer as it isn't the problem. Light is light, you need to figure out what you have and to make it compelling.

also, instead of asking how much we hate an image, why not ask how we think you can make it better.
02/13/2013 11:55:31 AM · #25
Originally posted by mike_311:

Lack of studio equipment has nothing to do with it, keep trying and you figure out how to execute it better next time.

Blaming insufficient equipment isn't the answer as it isn't the problem. Light is light, you need to figure out what you have and to make it compelling.

also, instead of asking how much we hate an image, why not ask how we think you can make it better.


Thanks for your input. I have a lot of ways to make it better, I was trying to understand why the 24 people who gave it a 3 or below hated it so much. If the answer was 'we hate teddies on DPC' then that's a really useful lesson. If the answer was 'DNMC', that's another useful lesson. Making a better quality DMNC image for a Teddy-hating audience wouldn't have really added anything. But, it seems like teddies and DNMC weren't issues and I have taken the points on board for the future (and bought some lighting!).

Thanks for all the responses ;)

Message edited by author 2013-02-13 11:58:34.
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