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02/01/2017 05:10:59 AM · #1 |
This is a rant FOR, not against, minimal editing and a suggestion to the SC.
First of all, this site is Digital Photography Challenge. You are not in your comfort zone? Welcome to the challenge.
When i was lurking around the site i chose a minimal editing challenge for my first challenge entry because i was not confident enough in my post processing skills. Minimal editing evens the playground a bit in this area.
Minimal editing challenges help you build skills. Skills that enables you to get the shot in-camera (exposure, composition, WB...). Even if you do post process the image, getting it right in-camera saves you a tremendous amount of time. Minimal editing challenges helps you explore the camera features. Play with your presets, use an alternate WB, play with exposure compensation, be creative. You can do much more in-camera if just try and detach yourself from the post processing. I have my Vivid and MC presets customized based on my experience shooting minimal challenges.
Some may say, professional photographers shoot RAW and i will never use those skills. WRONG! Professional wedding photographers do shoot JPEGs. Imagine having to print 500 wedding photos and be back at the reception in couple of hours. There is simply not enough time to post process them and do RAW conversion.
At the end, i would like to address the SC with a request regarding minimal editing ruleset. Is it possible to skew the JPEG rules just a bit and include the embedded JPEGs from RAW files as valid submissions?
1. It would eliminate those "Oh SHIT, the challenge was minimal!" moments for us not shooting JPEGs by default.
2. It would eliminate the need to double the storage requirements if we choose to shoot RAW+JPEG for minimal editing challenges.
3. Those embedded JPEGs are the exact same image as the one that would be produced by in-camera JPEG, but with lower quality. In this case the downsides (the lower quality and the actual process of extracting the embedded JPEG) are on the photographer. For validation, it would be required to produce the RAW file, the extracted JPEG file as well and the steps taken to extract it. Furthermore, the SC can require certain software with certain options to be used. Exiftool is a nice cross platform command line tool.
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02/01/2017 09:17:20 AM · #2 |
Originally posted by damjanev:
This is a rant FOR, not against, minimal editing and a suggestion to the SC. |
Doesn't have to be a rant.... How 'bout just a discussion?
Originally posted by damjanev:
First of all, this site is Digital Photography Challenge. You are not in your comfort zone? Welcome to the challenge. |
Um.....It *is* DIGITAL Photography Challenge..... Not good with your computer PP skills??? Welcome to the challenge!!!
Originally posted by damjanev:
When i was lurking around the site i chose a minimal editing challenge for my first challenge entry because i was not confident enough in my post processing skills. Minimal editing evens the playground a bit in this area. |
The beauty of this site is that it has something for *ALL* photographers to challenge themselves, hence the different rulesets.
For instance, with this veteran, after ten years, I still struggle, learn, grow, and reap the benefits of this place. I just put a ribbon on my profile page with my fourth ever 7+ score.
I am also sitting on two low 4 scores for my Free Study & Best of 2016..... WTF???
Welcome to the challenge!
Originally posted by damjanev:
Minimal editing challenges help you build skills. Skills that enables you to get the shot in-camera (exposure, composition, WB...). Even if you do post process the image, getting it right in-camera saves you a tremendous amount of time. Minimal editing challenges helps you explore the camera features. Play with your presets, use an alternate WB, play with exposure compensation, be creative. You can do much more in-camera if just try and detach yourself from the post processing. I have my Vivid and MC presets customized based on my experience shooting minimal challenges. |
There is no reason you cannot do this in *ANY* challenge. However, if you want to develop your really elaborate PP skills, you may ONLY do that in Extended Editing.
Choose to shoot however, and enter within the ruleset.
Originally posted by damjanev:
Some may say, professional photographers shoot RAW and i will never use those skills. WRONG! Professional wedding photographers do shoot JPEGs. Imagine having to print 500 wedding photos and be back at the reception in couple of hours. There is simply not enough time to post process them and do RAW conversion. |
Umm..... You are supremely mistaken. I know of *NO* wedding photographers, at least serious ones, who shoot solely in jpeg. That's borderline suicidal. The last wedding I shot I had serious ligting issues due to the positioning and light. RAW files were the only thing that saved my images.I also know of none who plan on being "Back at the reception" with prepared images. There simply isn't time, and you can easily miss some worthy images during the time you're gone. Yeah, sometimes I'll throw a few out there, but only if there's some kind of serious lull, and I have my laptop along. That doesn't often happen that you have a break in the festivities. And generally, I don't make final image determination from a laptop screen.
I've done a few weddings, enough to understand these things, and I am by no stretch of professional caliber.
Originally posted by damjanev:
At the end, i would like to address the SC with a request regarding minimal editing ruleset. Is it possible to skew the JPEG rules just a bit and include the embedded JPEGs from RAW files as valid submissions? |
Why? Part of the process is to teach newbies how to get a valid submission intact to the validation process. There are people so new to this coming to DP Challenge that they don't even know the proper way to get an untouched file from their card to a folder. Lots of us remember that nightmare.
Originally posted by damjanev:
1. It would eliminate those "Oh SHIT, the challenge was minimal!" moments for us not shooting JPEGs by default. |
Many of us shoot both formats...... I use my CF card for RAW and my SD card for jpeg. That way, no matter where I am, if I can access a computer, I can produce an image for a Minimal challenge. AND....if it's special enough that I want it big & beautiful, I have my huge RAW file.
Originally posted by damjanev:
2. It would eliminate the need to double the storage requirements if we choose to shoot RAW+JPEG for minimal editing challenges. |
You really can't shoot RAW for a Minimal challenge....that's the point. You *may* shoot both, but the original jpeg is what you must edit from..... Storage? Who doesn't have huge storage that's into this seriously? I remember "Back in the day" when my RAW files were 6MB. Ha! Now they're 45MB.
Originally posted by damjanev:
3. Those embedded JPEGs are the exact same image as the one that would be produced by in-camera JPEG, but with lower quality. In this case the downsides (the lower quality and the actual process of extracting the embedded JPEG) are on the photographer. For validation, it would be required to produce the RAW file, the extracted JPEG file as well and the steps taken to extract it. |
I'll stick with jpeg fine for my Minimal entries, thank you very much. As I think most would. Your process spounds like extra work for SC as far as validation goes. Kinda don't think that'd be popular!
Originally posted by damjanev:
Furthermore, the SC can require certain software with certain options to be used. Exiftool is a nice cross platform command line tool. |
Seriously??? You want people who have no idea how to download a card with jpeg images to do this?
You're kind of missing some of what , although perfectly understandable to you, would be unintelligible to a newcomer.
And I don't need to have any extra process thrown in to submit a Minimal entry.
Just playing devil's advocate here.....YMMV
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