Oversharpened??? - DPChallenge Forums

Canon EF 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 DO IS USM

05/18/2005 11:09:10 AM · #1

Ok I have an annoying problem...EVERYONE says my photos have been oversharpened. The problem is I NEVER sharpen my photos. My photos look really good, then after I format to fit the required size for a challenge, they look "oversharpened". Does anyone have any suggestions?? I was wondering if maybe its because I dont have a great camera??? If the required size was changed to alittle bithigher, my photos wouldn't look so "oversharpened"
I would love to get some advice or suggestions,
thank you so much,
oversharpened in montana.

cpanaioti

Canon EOS-40D

05/18/2005 11:11:24 AM · #2

It may be that the sharpening done in camera is too strong. If there's a way to turn off or at least turn down the in camera sharpening then that could be a solution.

superdave_909

Canon EOS-60D

Canon EF-S 15-85mm IS USM

05/18/2005 11:12:24 AM · #3

are you using photoshop?

edit: to do a save for web? if so what version?

Message edited by author 2005-05-18 11:12:51.

justine

Canon EOS-50D

Canon EF 28-135mm F/3.5-5.6 IS USM

05/18/2005 11:16:10 AM · #4

Do you have an example to show?

totaldis

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

05/18/2005 11:33:07 AM · #5

Programs use different algorithms to resize. Bicubic, billinear, pixel resize.... I use Paint Shop Pro9 and use Smart Size. If I use any other method my pictures get jagged edges where they are normally sharp and smooth. Perhaps the appearence of over sharpening?

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

05/18/2005 11:35:23 AM · #6

I use microsoft digital image 9. I don't have photoshop. I think I deleted my other photos, out of frustration, but Iw ill go back and look for examples.

tazza

Canon EOS-350D Rebel XT

05/18/2005 11:39:13 AM · #7

It's probably a resizing issue, I used to resize with MS photoeditor (I know) on my old computer, and straight lines always ended up jagged, even though I never sharpened them, like this:

But with PS bicubic resizing, no problem!

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S21, S21+, S21 Ultra

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

05/18/2005 11:40:24 AM · #8

IO have looked at the latest half-dozen of your images from challenges and can only find 2-3 comments regarding oversharpening. I think you're overreacting to these comments. Not everyone who makes such a comment actually understands what they are reacting to. Some people seem to think too much contrast is the same thing as oversharpening, for example.

If I were you I'd pay them no heed. Your images are NOT oversharpened, not even close to it. Just soldier on with a smile on your face. You do nice work.

Robt.

05/18/2005 11:43:04 AM · #9

What version of PS would you recomend? Is there one that works really good, that isnt too expensive? I did delete all my previous originals, but after the ongoing challenge I will post a beofre and after shot. Thank you for your help.
jess

jenesis

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

05/18/2005 11:43:51 AM · #10

I really don't think you have much to worry about. I think you know what you're doing based on the few photos I've looked at in your portfolio. You have a nice eye and do really well with your B&W processing. Very nice stuff! :-)

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

05/18/2005 11:49:55 AM · #11

Wow, Thank you so much, Jenesis! I appreciate that!:)

nicklevy

Canon EOS-350D Rebel XT

05/18/2005 11:55:36 AM · #12

Originally posted by tazza:

It's probably a resizing issue, I used to resize with MS photoeditor (I know) on my old computer, and straight lines always ended up jagged, even though I never sharpened them, like this:

But with PS bicubic resizing, no problem!

It's the downsizing alogrithm. None of these photo were sharpened. The left one as been dowsized with nearest neighbor and the other one with PS bicubic smoother.

Artifacts

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

05/18/2005 12:01:59 PM · #13

Originally posted by beautyqn25:

Ok I have an annoying problem...EVERYONE says my photos have been oversharpened. ... oversharpened in montana.

I looked at your DPC images (which are incredibly good I might add) and if they are significantly suffering from oversharpening then I'm blind.

You are a good photographer. Just keep doing what you are doing.

Message edited by author 2005-05-18 12:02:21.

cpurser

Canon EOS-5D

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

05/18/2005 12:04:47 PM · #14

Very good photos. Especially impressive coming from that camera. You definitely have the gift.

-Chad

Kylie

Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ35

05/18/2005 01:26:46 PM · #15

Sent you a PM since you aren't online right now. Great portfolio!

SJCarter

Canon EOS-7D

Canon EF 28-135mm F/3.5-5.6 IS USM

05/18/2005 01:55:19 PM · #16

I have to agree - fantastic portfolio - very nice work! As someone else who uses MS Digital Image Pro, I have also found that some of my images appear "oversharpened" when posted (even if I haven't sharpened them at all).

What I found (very recently) that helped some was to make all modifications to the shot PRIOR to any cropping or resizing. I also found that it makes a big difference "how" you resize your shots (pixel dimensions, size dimensions, or resolution dimensions).

For whatever it's worth...

Kylie

Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ35

05/18/2005 01:57:35 PM · #17

Originally posted by SJCarter:

Any tips? I usually use DIP 10 and have the same issues.

jbsmithana

Nikon D300

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 12-24mm f/4.0G IF-ED

05/18/2005 02:40:49 PM · #18

I use DIP 10 and have been finding that it is best not to do any sharpening until the very last step. I have read that this is the case with any software processing. Some people even turn off any in camera sharpening for JPG. What I have read is it is always best to sharpen as the last stage of processing no matter what software you are using. That is, do not sharpen when converting from RAW (if you shoot RAW), do not sharpen during any post processing with JPG or TIFF. Do your crops and resizing before sharpening. Sharpen only as the last step before printing or posting. Also, printing can stand more sharpening than posting to the internet.

Even with this said I have also found that when posting to sites that offer multiple viewing sizes that the resizing by the site causes some of my shots to look oversharpened. I'm still experimenting but it seems that lately I'm having better luck with assuring no shapening takes place early in the process.

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 12-24mm f/4.0G IF-ED

05/18/2005 03:30:56 PM · #19

Thank you for the very kind omments, Kylie, SJCarter, cpurser and stdavidson! :)
I do know that I did do all my adjustments first on my latest challenge entry, and it does have the zig zags, which ruined my entry pretty much. (Several people have commented on the oversharpening of it, so I know its not going to place well).
Maybe I should just get a better program? I am going to be buying the Canon 20D soon, will that help, or is it just my photo program?
Thank you all so much for your help. I really appreciate it so much.
Jessica

jbsmithana

Nikon D300

05/18/2005 03:43:52 PM · #20

Jessica - I don't think it is really the software. It is a workflow issue that you have to "discover" no matter which software program you end up using. Obviously some have much more power than others but you pay for that.

The 20D will certainly keep you busy on the learning curve without antoehr program to learn at this point. Looking at your portfolio you have a good eye so the added power of the 20D will likley kick everything up a notch. We better watch out, I see ribbons coming!

Good luck with the new camera and have fun.

sofapez

Canon EOS-10D

Sigma 18-125mm f/3.5-5.6 DC for Canon

05/18/2005 04:03:52 PM · #21

I looked at your portfolio, beautygn, I don't see it. And I am one that gets very annoyed at oversharpening. Very nice images, by the way, especially like the flower shot (and I'm not big on the flower shots either).