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 09/16/2005 08:48:22 AM · #1
I was looking through my images and realized how few really seem to depict this rule. The one I am posting here may be considered rule of thirds, I guess, but it is a person. If a person is the subject, what is the rule regarding the rule of thirds? Where does their head fall, what kind of image requirements should there be?
 09/16/2005 08:52:19 AM · #2
I tend to use the rule of thirds a bit too much... as evident in the last challenge. Here is one though that did relatively well depicting a person.

09/16/2005 11:08:06 AM · #3
Originally posted by ladymonarda:
I was looking through my images and realized how few really seem to depict this rule. The one I am posting here may be considered rule of thirds, I guess, but it is a person. If a person is the subject, what is the rule regarding the rule of thirds? Where does their head fall, what kind of image requirements should there be?


This one actually indicates why the rule of thirds is so often a good guideline, because you failed to meet it in one of the dimensions and the image suffers for it; there's not enough space above the boy's head, and the composition feels incomplete. the placement of the subject left-to-right is good, but his eyes/the mask are significantly above the horizontal 1/3 line, and thus above the putative "intersection" the rule says you should target. Is this a cropped image? Do you have more space up top to work with on the original? If so try changing the cropping...

Robt.
 09/16/2005 11:25:14 AM · #4
Don't some cameras have a grid line in the view finder that can be turned on to help with positioning of subjects? I'll have to check my XT and see. I'm pretty sure the Fuji P&S I have does this.
 09/16/2005 02:32:31 PM · #5
Originally posted by dsmeth:
Don't some cameras have a grid line in the view finder that can be turned on to help with positioning of subjects? I'll have to check my XT and see. I'm pretty sure the Fuji P&S I have does this.


As does the D70.
 09/16/2005 02:35:08 PM · #6
Originally posted by dsmeth:
Don't some cameras have a grid line in the view finder that can be turned on to help with positioning of subjects? I'll have to check my XT and see. I'm pretty sure the Fuji P&S I have does this.


so does my fujifilm finepixS5000 Z
 09/16/2005 02:42:58 PM · #7
Originally posted by ladymonarda:
I was looking through my images and realized how few really seem to depict this rule. The one I am posting here may be considered rule of thirds, I guess, but it is a person. If a person is the subject, what is the rule regarding the rule of thirds? Where does their head fall, what kind of image requirements should there be


Your local Borders or Waldens bookstore would have several texts on basic photography. Or a yahoo/google search on rule of thirds would access many tutorials.

Essentially there are 9 zones with 4 intersections that comprise the "grid". Use of this grid (or "rule") assists the photographer in creating a more "interesting" image (typically). Some however, would argue, that magnificent photos can violate the rule of 3rds. I would answer; "true, but one must first know the rules, before one can effectively ignore them". Still, on a pure percentage basis, I believe more photographs that follow the rule of thirds are "interesting", than the percentage that violates it. Therefore, following the rule of thirds will help train your eye, to be a better composer of your subjects.

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Message edited by author 2005-09-16 14:44:56.
 09/16/2005 02:57:03 PM · #8
A couple of examples might be this Zebra's eye that is at an intersection point.

Or this Tiger's face that is on a 3rds line

or this photo of an LS6 where the hood lines ends at an intersection point where a very ironic 25mph speed limit sign is displayed.

Message edited by author 2005-09-16 15:01:28.
 09/16/2005 03:44:50 PM · #9
I'm a little confused....is it keeping the rule of thirds or breaking the rule of thirds? or could it be both?
inquring minds need to know...
 09/16/2005 03:54:20 PM · #10
Originally posted by gi_joe05:
I'm a little confused....is it keeping the rule of thirds or breaking the rule of thirds? or could it be both?
inquring minds need to know...


Challenge Details: The rule of thirds suggests that if you picture imaginary lines dividing your photograph in thirds (horizontally and vertically), your points of interest should be placed on the intersections of those lines. Your challenge is to take an interesting photograph using this technique.

R.
 09/16/2005 04:02:41 PM · #11
Originally posted by bear_music:
Originally posted by gi_joe05:
I'm a little confused....is it keeping the rule of thirds or breaking the rule of thirds? or could it be both?
inquring minds need to know...


Challenge Details: The rule of thirds suggests that if you picture imaginary lines dividing your photograph in thirds (horizontally and vertically), your points of interest should be placed on the intersections of those lines. Your challenge is to take an interesting photograph using this technique.

R.


wow, egg on my face
 09/17/2005 08:01:34 AM · #12
Please forgive my thoughts on this topic. I did not realize that it was a current challenge. I thought the original query was in regards to understanding the concept, thus my reply's. Should have checked first.
 09/17/2005 11:10:38 AM · #13
In my opinion, it's almost "rule of 9ths" as it divides the picture into 9 quandrants. My camera has a grid that you can put on the viewfinder to help you place the objects directly at the intersection points, although cropping can change that.

I find it fun because your unlimited with your subject matter!!

Good luck everyone.
 09/17/2005 11:35:16 AM · #14
Personally, I find the challenge wording very odd in that the "rule of thirds" does not require the use of the intersections; the lines themselves will suffice, technically. For example, imagine a landscape/skyscape with a distant horizon 1/3 of the way up from the bottom and a tall, lone pine tree 1/3 of the way in from the right edge; this would be a classic rule of thirds composition with no actual subject point centered on an intersection. Technically, a seascape that's 2/3 water and 1/3 sky also follows the rule of thirds.

Robt.

Message edited by author 2005-09-17 11:36:20.
 09/17/2005 11:38:13 AM · #15
But the intersection of the two linear elements will fall on the intersection point, which is why it looks better than if, for example, the tree was on the 1/3 line but the horizon was centered vertically.
 09/17/2005 11:44:59 AM · #16
Originally posted by GeneralE:
But the intersection of the two linear elements will fall on the intersection point, which is why it looks better than if, for example, the tree was on the 1/3 line but the horizon was centered vertically.


Yeah, sure, but as the challenge is worded you can be sure the voters will be less receptive to images that don't HAVE an actual "point of interest" located at an "intersection". And for landscape photography in particular that's often the case. It has me in a bit of a quandary; I have several images that are rule of thirds by my long-standing definition but don't meet that criterion... So I'm still looking for the fortuitous combination of "point of interest within landscape on intersection", LOL.

Robt.

R.
09/17/2005 11:47:27 AM · #17
I'm putting a bubble at that location : )
 09/17/2005 11:48:46 AM · #18
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I'm putting a bubble at that location : )


Double-dipping the challenges, two-fer-one? Is that legal? jejeje™

R.
 09/17/2005 12:38:34 PM · #19
LOL I dunno, but I'm sort of doing the same thing. :D I'm entering the bubbles, but my subject is placed using the rule of thirds. ;)
 09/18/2005 06:16:02 AM · #20

I think it's a silly question. Is it possible in this challenge to use some dodge and burn (post)???
 09/18/2005 06:18:17 AM · #21
nope. Basic editing only.
 09/18/2005 06:20:57 AM · #22
Thanks
 09/19/2005 05:24:55 AM · #23
Thought I read somewhere you can only submit a photo once.
 09/19/2005 08:29:27 AM · #24
Originally posted by Perpetual:
Thought I read somewhere you can only submit a photo once.


Correct. For the Bubbles and Rule of Thirds Challenge, you can only submit one photo to either of the challenges. This is an experiment conducted by the site admins.

Usually you're allowed submitting one photo per challenge, that is if your are paid member and have access to all challenges. Registered users only have access to open challenges.
 09/19/2005 09:19:14 AM · #25
Originally posted by Beagleboy:
Originally posted by Perpetual:
Thought I read somewhere you can only submit a photo once.


Correct. For the Bubbles and Rule of Thirds Challenge, you can only submit one photo to either of the challenges. This is an experiment conducted by the site admins.

Usually you're allowed submitting one photo per challenge, that is if your are paid member and have access to all challenges. Registered users only have access to open challenges.


EDIT: just realized that you may be referring to submitting a photo to two challenges at the same time. I think most people frown on that.
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